Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

Post by yes_really » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 9:50 AM UTC

ignoramous wrote: post #675

tptacek wrote: post #350

Hamas was offered a ceasefire under exactly the same terms in May, and refused it. Since then: * Ismail Haniyeh, the leader of the Hamas political wing, was killed in Tehran * Yahyah Sinwar, the leader of the Al-Qassam Brigades, was killed in Gaza * Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Lebanese Hezbollah, was killed in Beirut * Hashem Safieddine, Nasrallah's successor, was killed a week later * Large swathes of Hezbollah'…

> They should have taken the deal when it was first offered It is a foregone conclusion that (the despots in charge of) Hamas aren't operating on the same trade-offs as you & I. Despite the toll, they'll consider it a victory if the IDF withdraws from all its positions. Not taking the deal has indeed caused more mayhem, but on the flipside, Likud+ are being dragged through the mud, and for some, they were made to loo…

Post by cpach » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 9:52 AM UTC

misja111 wrote: post #682

Well it seems everybody was cheering too early: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-01-16/ty-article-li...

Post by lawrenceyan » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 9:55 AM UTC

halflife wrote: post #75

Workaccount2 wrote: post #39

So I suppose it's just back to the status quo? What has really changed that will make a difference in 2-3 years from now? Israel has sowed a whole fresh generation of "I will sacrifice everything to wipe Israel" Palestinian youth.

The entirety of Hamas leadership is gone, Hamas will most likely not going to have control in Gaza (still being debated which mechanism will govern, this is part of the deal), the crossing to Egypt will be handled by foreign countries which will prevent weapon smuggling. And in the broader spectrum, hizballah is not more, Assad is no more, all of Iran’s proxies can no longer support Hamas’ ambitions which basically m…

Post by the_gipsy » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 9:58 AM UTC

hattmall wrote: post #566

xg15 wrote: post #21

Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

>I also found Trump's signalling in the whole issue odd. It doesn't seem odd at all. Trump just went up against the mainstream Israeli-American power structure and won. He was very open that he supports Israel, but not this war. He ran on a premise that he would end the war before he took office. Appointing hard-line pro-Israel people is par for the course. It shows he supports Israel, but it makes those people behol…

Post by raxxor » Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 9:58 AM UTC

malandrew wrote: post #581

mupuff1234 wrote: post #526

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And all the hostages are really just kept inside secret IDF facilities, right? Did some die due you friendly fire? Yes, we know that, but your take is pretty unhinged.

Strawman much? Taking hostages has practical benefits. Indiscriminate killing of folks that don't present a threat isn't practical. Every single one of those combatants that left the fence that day had a limited amount of ammunition on them. Practically speaking, most US soldiers will patrol with about 7 magazines with 30 rounds in each magazine, plus two pistol magazines. Add another magazine in each firearm. A typi…