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I think the brave throwaway48476 doesn’t have a source.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/DAUPSA This had the slope I remember.
a lot of Detroit's manufacturing these days is in Canada and Mexico.
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Sure! How many of those does Tesla have?
But now you're arguing for right-to-repair laws or similar rather than prohibiting manufacturers from making direct sales.
I would say that laws covering right-to-repair are almost entirely a different subject than laws governing retail competition.
Being forced to buy a vehicle from the manufacturer would be exactly like being forced to buy Indiana Jones and the Great Circle only from Microsoft. But it's a lot better to be able to buy it from multiple game stores, many of which compete on price.
https://www.cheapshark.com/search#q:Indiana%20Jones%20and%20...
Overall I think it's totally fine that Tesla wants to sell cars direct, and any manufacturer should be able to. But they should also be obligated to sell to dealerships at a fair price (they shouldn't be able to just pretend that their own selling process has no cost associated with it).
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> and even systems from 2016 would usually pass your "go there without touching the wheel or pedals" test This is complete bullshit. The systems in 2016 were restricted to pre-mapped areas with lots of training. (i.e. the waymo/cruise approach today) So if you weren’t in a tiny slice of San Francisco or a few other training areas, this didn’t work.
Even if an area is pre-mapped, if you're operating on public streets you need to handle all sorts of unusual things. Here's a Cruise video recorded in 2016 on SF streets, showing a tricky interactions with buses, stopped delivery vehicles, pedestrians, etc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Tp6Ubf6mE4
Yeah, I’m not saying they weren’t doing impressive things. I’m saying they were still severely limited and would not be capable of a “go around without touching the wheel/brakes test” like a Tesla can in the entire US now.
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> Rich people aren't endless fountains of capital. They fund things that work, ie, things that sell, ie, things the public likes. Rich people who have some other investment strategy than this go broke. Rich people fund a certain kind of thing, but that is a subset of the class of all things which could be built. Free universal healthcare is very popular in the US, but rich people aren't building it. They have pervers…
It's true that there are very good things that aren't products. It's also true that public goods come at the expense of private goods. I've lived in several places with "free" healthcare, including Canada right now, and while it can be a great system, it can also come at the expense of a huge tax bill that eats into other spending and slows down the whole system. > > The US consumer rules the world. > Yes to the detr…
> Why is it then that real income & wealth (and with that, life outcomes) have shot up in all the "sweat-shop" countries that stock the shelves of Walmart?
We have very different views on the labor conditions of foreign workers.
> For most poor American families, living in a big house in a small town and owning one or more cars is the optimal solution, not some utopian pipe dream involving high-rises and buses.
I grew up in a big house in a small town and worked doing property maintenance in high school to buy my own car. I have been driving cars for 25 years. Two years ago I moved to a dense city with halfway decent public transit (by US standards). Finally I can walk or ride my bike to my friend's houses. I still have a car and I use it about once a week. But now I bike to work, even in the rain. I use public transit more than I ever have in my life, because the transit is more useful here than in any of the car-centric cities I have lived in before. I am happier leaving my car parked and walking or biking to see my friends and loved ones. And when I bike, I wish less space was devoted to cars - roads and parking divide up a beautiful place. Everything is compartmentalized, and high speed danger is always nearby.
Even cities with the best public transit still have room for cars. But I do not think that relying on cars as the predominant method of transit is "optimal". When cities are built to make life without a car hell, then yes people in those places will find a car the optimal choice as individuals. But I have been to New York, London, Paris, and Brussels. I saw how public transit can be used to reduce the need for car ownership and car infrastructure. We could do that in the USA too.
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zero instances of sunlight in that pdf or “tesla’s data”
The entire investigation was based on Tesla's data if you're unfamiliar. I don't care what you believe. Seems like you're one who consumes the marketing rather than data.
Tesla’s data talking about sunlight? No please do link a single data point
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I disagree with you. Glad you worked in the industry, I am using FSD daily, it is really excellent.
Drive 100 miles in your sleep. You'd trust your partner or parent to do that for you ...
100 Miles literally don't matter. Even 1000. On average accidents happens every 500k miles.
Are you ready to have your tesla drive FSD with you sleeping in it for 500k? You are letting your feeling dictate that FSD is ready. The math is more complicated.
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Drive 100 miles in your sleep. You'd trust your partner or parent to do that for you ...
Got it. differing expectations. Im not expecting 'unsupervised' out of the system, I dont think I would trust any system to transport me or loved ones un-piloted. Even when being driven in a taxi, I am still supervising despite not having much recourse beyond barking at the driver. That said, based on my experience with FSD, I'd be tempted to take a nap if it let me, reinforcing my initial statement that it's very da…
If you drove with a very very bad driver that crashes every 50k miles (average is every 500k miles), you would have exactly the same feeling and you would also be tempted to take a nap.
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I worked in this industry. No, FSD is not almost there. Not even close. What matters is the long tails of events. You might "feel" it is almost there because it gets it right 99.9% of the time but that is still way too many accidents and injuries in the long run. And the work to go from 99.9% to 99.9999% is 1000x more complicated.
We need to compare against the real human error rate (including drunk drivers, sleepy drivers etc). What is that error rate? Also, fault tolerance error rates don’t work that way - difficulty increases exponentially as you increase fault. In other words, it’s much more difficult than three orders of magnitude to go from 3 9s to 6 9s - it’s easily 5-6 orders of magnitude.
yes, the long tail of difficult event is exponentially more difficult to handle. That's why I said above that people "feel" it is ready but it is nowhere to be even close to ready.
The average crash rate for human is one every 500k miles.
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All you really need is a $20-30 extension cord.
That's more like V2L, not V2H.
Whatever you call it based on exact details, my point is that using your car for power is not "gimmicky" like they said. Based on budget you can get a transfer switch or you can get an extension cord. Either way you're making effective use out of the car you already own, and the idea that you're wasting time and should really just get a generator or fixed battery is incorrect.