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South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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The reason given is to root out pro-North Korean elements. How is red scare stuff still a thing?

> How is red scare stuff still a thing

Probably has something to do with the fact that Seoul is like 50 kilometers from the border, and has enough rockets pointed at them to cause unprecedented carnage. HIMARS can launch precision strikes at that range, but DPRK doesn't need precision, and has clearly committed to quantity. And they're not exactly peaceful about it: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/north-korea-fires-multipl...

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Is that even legal? Because if it is, that means the president can prevent martial law from ever being lifted. The whole constitution would be pointless.

What does legal matter if the guys holding the guns don't care about the law?

That's the differences of coup and martial law. Once he blocked the parliament, it became coup.

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From Yonhap (Korea state news): "Activities related to National Assembly, political parties banned: martial law commander." [1] "Entry, exit from National Assembly blocked after declaration of martial law." [2] [1] https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20241203013900315 [2] https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20241203013200315

Is that even legal? Because if it is, that means the president can prevent martial law from ever being lifted. The whole constitution would be pointless.

Definitely not legal. Because of this, it became coup not martial law.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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> this sounds very similar to Netanyahu in Isreal, using the excuse of the opposition to stay in power Not comparable. This is a coup d'etat. Netanyahu is a corrupt politician; President Yoon is attempting to rise above politics.

Bibi, upon being convicted for corruption, tried to reform the Israeli judiciary (which led to mass protests) to cement himself in power right before the attacks last year. Now Israelis kowtow to him and blindly follow his lead. How convenient!

He was not convicted for corruption, he's on trial for corruption.

And Israelis don't kowtow to him at all, the same Israelis who were out protesting the judicial reform, the largest protests in Israeli history, are still very much against him.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Something that is missing in all western news that I have seen so far is why the president did that?

The only info is that he said that it is to protect the democracy from north Korean supporters in the opposition, but no more details.

Does anyone know which action of the opposition triggered that? And why so suddenly? Also, might it be reasonable grounds to his claims or is he just clearly using the martian law against his political opponents?

Something a little bit scary around the world is that it looks like that bad guys are quite active and good at disrupting democracies and elections in free countries (France, us, Romania, moldovia, ...) whereas it looks like that the western world has really low influence to disrupt these countries for a political change.

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it's interesting that very few people would admit this, that society is founded upon violence.

See "Debt, the first 5000 years" by Graeber. Debt exists because of (the threat of) violence. Money exists because of debt (.. is in fact debt). Modern society is based on our monetary system.

it's the book that cemented my hunch.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Something that is missing in all western news that I have seen so far is why the president did that? The only info is that he said that it is to protect the democracy from north Korean supporters in the opposition, but no more details. Does anyone know which action of the opposition triggered that? And why so suddenly? Also, might it be reasonable grounds to his claims or is he just clearly using the martian law agai…

From the New York Times: "How Polarized Politics Led South Korea to a Plunge Into Martial Law" [1]

> From the start [...] Mr. Yoon faced two obstacles.

> The opposition Democratic Party held on to its majority in the National Assembly and then expanded it in parliamentary elections in April, making him the first South Korean leader in decades to never have a majority in Parliament. And then there were his own dismal approval ratings.

> Mr. Yoon’s toxic relationship with opposition lawmakers — and their vehement efforts to oppose him at every turn — paralyzed his pro-business agenda for two years, hindering his efforts to cut corporate taxes, overhaul the national pension system and address housing prices.

and also

> Opposition leaders warned that Mr. Yoon was taking South Korea onto the path of “dictatorship.” In turn, members of Mr. Yoon’s party called the opposition “criminals,” and voters on the right rallied against what they called “pro-North Korean communists.”

> (Mr. Yoon echoed that language on Tuesday in his declaration of martial law, saying he was issuing it “to protect a free South Korea from the North Korean communist forces, eliminate shameless pro-North Korean and anti-state forces.”)

So basically, Mr. Yoon was unable to pass his agenda (as his party never had control of the legislative branch), and rather than continue to negotiate, he decided to impose martial law, label the opposition communists, and then ban the National Assembly from gathering (they gathered anyway).

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[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/03/world/asia/south-korea-yo...

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Something that is missing in all western news that I have seen so far is why the president did that? The only info is that he said that it is to protect the democracy from north Korean supporters in the opposition, but no more details. Does anyone know which action of the opposition triggered that? And why so suddenly? Also, might it be reasonable grounds to his claims or is he just clearly using the martian law agai…

It's incredible how quickly media post covid has moved away from basic reporting of

Why x happened

What might happen next

How does this tie into bigger trends

I feel like i'm taking crazy pills. The world can't be this stupid yet it is. Subconscious social intelligence is real and it has taken a massive fucking hit recently. I've got an entertaining 60 years ahead of me. Social media has destroyed anything in the human experience outside of immediate status and gratification. I'm trying my best to insulate myself by getting into data science but I feel like I'm living on borrowed time.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Suddenly the rationale of the 2nd Amendment in the US Constitution becomes clear.

I have bad news for you about which side of things a lot of the 2nd amendment fans are gonna be on if this comes to the US. The history with actual cases of private arms being used to support or to resist government tyranny in the US can be generously described as "mixed". It's also telling that so many instances like that, in the US and elsewhere, start with "... and then the good guys (or sometimes bad guys) seized…

Also what good are small arms against a government with tanks, fighter jets, drones, cluster bombs, napalm, attack helicopters, cruise missiles etc. Good luck with your AR15 :P
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