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Post by blackoil »

jiggawatts wrote: post #417
brikym wrote: post #372

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Cocomelon are already focus group testing their addictive hypnotic kids videos. They don't need millions of kids to develop this crack for kids, just a dozen or so.

Speaking of which, I just recently blocked Cocomelon on my kid’s iPad. How insane is it that a company is purposefully putting out crack in video form targeted explicitly at toddlers!? Brought to you by the same people that thought cigarette candy was a brilliant idea.

> my kid’s iPad

That is a more fundamental problem.

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JoeJonathan wrote: post #554
zmmmmm wrote: post #449

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heh ... i'm frustrated that the schools my kids are going to aren't embracing this tech. the applications in education are absolutely mind blowing.

What are the applications in ed?

Things like Titans of Space [0] and Wooorld [1] are good examples. The sweet spot is apps that let you physically experience things that are otherwise impossible as a learning experience, rather than trying to understand it as dry abstract concepts.

[0] https://www.meta.com/en-gb/experiences/titans-of-space-plus/...

[1] https://www.meta.com/en-gb/experiences/wooorld/4360608937312...

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Post by modeless »

jayd16 wrote: post #651
bensandcastle wrote: post #543

Having built similar tech (Meta, YC S13), it's been a great year with Vision Pro, Orion, Spectacles and more coming out. Currently at my co, seeing most day to day use out of XReal, and keen for Visor. AR/XR/MR/VR app I'm most looking forward to is a 360 location share with the sharing user in AR, and the receiving user in VR, with additional virtual objects shared between. Orion would be great for the send side, wit…

The Magic Leap headset already uses essentially an LCD layer to add per pixel shading to add darkness. Even still, modern displays are so so good that an additive display is a massive step down.

Hard edged, per-pixel light blocking is impossible for the foreseeable future. What's possible today, and what Magic Leap has, is diffuse dimming of large areas of the display.

The problem with light blocking is that when the blocker is millimeters from your eye it is completely out of focus. Unlike for the display, you can't use optics to make it appear farther away and in focus because the direction of the light it needs to attenuate can't be modified (or else your view of the world through the glasses would be warped).

For a near-eye light blocker to work, it would need to be a true holographic element which can selectively block incoming light based not just on its position but also its direction. Each pixel would essentially be an independent display unto itself that selectively blocks or passes incoming light based on its direction, instead of indiscriminately like a normal LCD. I have no idea how such a thing could ever be fabricated.

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Post by dartharva »

zmmmmm wrote: post #449
sharkweek wrote: post #392

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Nick Clegg (public affairs guy at FB) is currently lobbying to get VR headsets on schoolchildren. I can't think of anything I want less than my kids wearing those things while in class all day. https://nickclegg.medium.com/how-the-metaverse-can-transform...

heh ... i'm frustrated that the schools my kids are going to aren't embracing this tech. the applications in education are absolutely mind blowing.

You see, the "struggle" in learning that comes from trying to form concepts out of text you read from books or from teacher's voices you listen in school instead of a complete audiovisual intuitive feed like VR will provide, is actually necessary. Your children will get impaired if they don't build the skill to learn from non-tech methods. Schools in India (and mostly Asia) enforce chalkboard and pen-and-paper methods of instruction at all levels, and I believe kids are better off for it. Ed-tech had insane hype in India at one point, with startup players getting billion-dollar evaluations, and it turned out to be a massive bubble that burst and broke the country's startup economy. I believe one of the main reason for that is that ed-tech solutions simply aren't as effective as they are imagined to be.

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Post by Angostura »

rty32 wrote: post #608
dools wrote: post #589

I just can't imagine ever buying something like this from Facebook. I know everyone shits on about Google being bad and whatnot, but the things I buy from Google aren't really part of their advertising business. I pay for Workspace and Google Cloud Platform, and those things don't advertise at me. I am more likely to cruise around already logged into Google as a result of using those things, which obviously plays int…

Guess what? Most people who end up buying this product won't care about any of these. (P.S. Apple is much worse than you think. Look up Apple's first party tracking.)

As far as I know Apple’s first party tracking allows it to

1. Show ads for apps in AppStore

2. Show ads in the News app.

What else are you thinking of?

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Post by dartharva »

Twirrim wrote: post #12

I know it's a prototype, but yikes those are large and goofy looking. Reminds me of the old 80's NHS glasses in the UK (which you could get for free if you couldn't afford otherwise). Or for those of you old enough, Brains from the old Supermarionation versions of the Thunderbird show ( https://i2-prod.walesonline.co.uk/incoming/article8451975.ec... )

It's because the lenses aren't transparent OLED displays like the ones LG is making. The images on the "screens" are literally being projected by small projectors fitted into the frame onto the lenses.

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Post by Tepix »

doctorhandshake wrote: post #269
wilsonnb3 wrote: post #32

Decent hands on article from the verge with more info https://www.theverge.com/24253908/meta-orion-ar-glasses-demo... Wireless compute puck. 70 degree FOV. Resolution high enough to read text. Wrist band detects hand gestures and will be used in another product.

The EMG wrist band is the most exciting part of this release, IMO. That strikes me as a great solve that pushes into software a lot of hard problems that were solved with hardware previously.

What? From my PoV (ha!), the 70° FoV is a breakthrough that was sorely needed.

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Post by Tepix »

neurogence wrote: post #673
pazimzadeh wrote: post #415

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This is very interesting. The company that looks most poised to capitalize on a product like this is still Apple. Wireless compute puck = iPhone Wrist band = Apple watch (although most people wear it on their non-dominant hand) From the videos it looks like Meta adopted Apple's UI of a horizontal handle bar underneath a window for interacting with a piece of content. Considering that the 100 degree field of view of t…

The 100 degree field of view in the AVP is noticeable because it is a VR headsets. Most VR headsets like the Meta Quest 3 have greater field of view than the AVP, which is why the 100 degree is so noticeable. For an AR headset, 70 degrees is pretty good.

70° is superb for an AR headset, are there even better ones?

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Post by iury-sza »

al_borland wrote: post #593
zmmmmm wrote: post #466

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I was an early adopter of the Galaxy Note which looked outlandishly large and goofy, back when people still spoke in awe of how Jobs made the 3.5" iPhone to fit the human hand naturally and no other form factor could possibly be right. Fast forward today and nearly every phone looks like a galaxy note. Turns out when the utility is there, people will adapt.

> to fit the human hand naturally and no other form factor could possibly be right. I still think this is correct. "Features" like Reachability, and even Screen Time, are software solutions to hardware problems. I don't think people would be as addicted to their smartphones if they stayed small. At that size, they were more of a tool, and a means to get something done when away from a proper computer. As the size inc…

Sure, but if a phone is your primary computing device, as it is for more than half the world's population, it makes sense for it to get bigger as well.

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Post by mrighele »

dools wrote: post #589

I just can't imagine ever buying something like this from Facebook. I know everyone shits on about Google being bad and whatnot, but the things I buy from Google aren't really part of their advertising business. I pay for Workspace and Google Cloud Platform, and those things don't advertise at me. I am more likely to cruise around already logged into Google as a result of using those things, which obviously plays int…

This looks to me like a consumer product, so it you should compare it to Google's similar products, not enterprise ones.

Does Google stop tracking you when you pay for Youtube Premium ? When you buy a Pixel phone ?

Like you, I do think that in general Facebook is an evil company, more than the others mentioned, but I don't think that if Google were able to produce a similar consumer device, they would track me any less

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