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Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by tapoxi »

foverzar wrote: post #493
codethief wrote: post #422

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is Signal "a kind of scam in that regard"?

Government funding? Mandatory phone number exposure? (or did they finally implement usernames?) A joke of a "registration lock pin" instead a proper 2FA to protect against sim-swap?

Yes they implemented usernames earlier this year. They are fully rolled out and don't expose your phone number.

They received $3 million from the open technology fund, which is a government sponsored fund for censorship circumvention projects. https://www.opentech.fund/about/congressional-remit/

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Post by okr »

ardaoweo wrote: post #647
akira2501 wrote: post #460

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It's not progressive. It's protectionist. The people they're protecting carry a lot of guilt, and so really like the "progressive" label, it's puts a really nice spin on their particular version of graft and corruption.

Yep. If the Swedish government really cared about children, they would do something to stop the massive underage gang violence problem the country has. 12 year olds being used as hitmen for drug gangs is not normal, yet that's the reality.

gangs of 12 year old roaming the swedish streets? you sure, it's not monty python playing in your head?

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Post by croes »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #380
ren_engineer wrote: post #90

the EU is becoming a parody >we've got to save democracy by restricting free speech and enforcing laws and regulations created by unelected officials

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How is that different from any other country?

Jail them, fire them is a pretty common demand on the left and right.

And fo be fair not everyone can surveillance the whole Internet like the US do or can enforce local laws worldwide.

Things like like the CloudAct and FISA section 702.

Not to mention that free speech sounds good, but you still can get fired and lose your income and health insurance.

So it's free speech for people like Musk and many others self censor their posts.

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Post by anal_reactor »

stavros wrote: post #533
nebula8804 wrote: post #484

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I like a lot of things the EU is doing, but this spread of surveillance is something I'll always protest against. That's my biggest gripe with the EU, and I hate the Big-Brother-like thinking that gives us the GDPR and also mass surveillance. It's clear the EU's mindset is "nobody can compromise your privacy except me, but it's OK, I'm benevolent", and I'm not a fan of that exceptions.

Ok. Now pee in a cup or you're fired.

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Post by dartharva »

flumpcakes wrote: post #134

The quality of posts in this thread are unusually low for Hacker News. Is this place being brigaded? Extremely uncharitable readings and frankly conspiracy theories everywhere.

This tends to happen whenever there is any tinge of geopolitics in the discussion. That subject has a remarkable ability of making monkeys out of people.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by mrtksn »

NayamAmarshe wrote: post #598
mikae1 wrote: post #246

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> not being able to decrypt chats that he has no keys for… Except he (or his corporation) has keys for almost all initiated chats on the Telegram network. Only the private chats are E2EE and they're not default and rather inconvenient because they don't sync between devices (unlike Signal's E2EE chats).

Not really no. > To protect the data that is not covered by end-to-end encryption, Telegram uses a distributed infrastructure. Cloud chat data is stored in multiple data centers around the globe that are controlled by different legal entities spread across different jurisdictions. The relevant decryption keys are split into parts and are never kept in the same place as the data they protect. As a result, several cour…

That's a system put in place against the legal system but it's not a technical limitation. For example, he will be able to look into the chats of his ex without the need of court orders of multiple unfriendly countries proving that the situation is grave and universal one.

When the limitation is not technical, your only guarantee is the integrity of the operators and the lack of interest of your attackers coercing the operators into spying on you.

In Telegram's case one could easily assume that the Russians and now the French said him "Nice fortune you built, you are very successful person with a long life to live ahead. It would be a shame if you lose your fortune or spent your days locked in a room instead of flying on a private jet to Ibiza"

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Post by tcfhgj »

wkat4242 wrote: post #324
sega_sai wrote: post #304

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Because Telegram is not just a messenger, it's a platform for distributing news/info through channels. Signal simply does not have that.

Signal and WhatsApp do have that. You can easily use group chats that way, you just have to get invited. You can't look for them and join them. It's really easy for e.g. a drugdealer to post QR codes or something on lamp posts with their contact and then they can invite people. Making Telegram go away is just going to hide the problem, not solve it.

Afaik WhatsApp and signal group chats have been way to small for that.

In Telegram you can have 10k and more in a channel

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by entropyneur »

topspin wrote: post #676
jasonvorhe wrote: post #442

Use the CEO as lever to gain control over a Russian controlled medium used to deliver unfiltered information about a lot of ongoing conflicts right now. Can't have that when you're hell bent on war.

> Russian controlled medium There are a large number of highly active Ukrainian channels on Telegram, all about as anti-Russian as you would expect. There are Ukrainian government ministers operating channels on Telegram. How does that occur on a "Russian controlled medium?" I don't speak either Russian or Ukrainian. I know none of these channel operators. Yet I've been granted approval on a number of "private" Ukrai…

Russian-controlled is an overstatment, but it's definitely Russian-influenced. There seems to have been some kind of balance - Durov allowed the Russians some limited control in exchange for being allowed to operate in Russia. The publicly visible manifestation of this deal was, for instance, the ban on "Путь домой" (Way home) channel where the wifes of mobilized men organized their movement. I'm not stating this necessarily happened as a result of some direct negotiations - maybe Durov just intuitively probed "the red lines", who knows.

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Post by kaba0 »

331c8c71 wrote: post #679
astrobe_ wrote: post #668

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National laws are largely based on the local morals; for instance in Europe breath is more or less indecent to show in public. A woman being topless on the beach, even in France, could be arrested, in theory (in practice it would just be "please put on some cloth, madam"). The laws are (usually) defined by the people of a country, based on their idea of morality, and are totally in their right to reject blasphemous s…

> in Europe breast is more or less indecent to show in public. There is no single "Europe". I have seen many women sunbathing topless in Denmark - it seems to be totally acceptable there. Haven't seen that in France - but it has a very strong nudist culture dating back at least to the 60s. Some of these nudist beaches are actually famous e.g. Cape d'Agde.

And then we didn’t even talk about Spain, and all the German tourists in, say, Mallorca. If anything, this is a stark difference between the EU and the US, in general — the EU is much less afraid of a nipple being shown in public, both in arts and everything.

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Post by matteocontrini »

NayamAmarshe wrote: post #598
mikae1 wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> not being able to decrypt chats that he has no keys for… Except he (or his corporation) has keys for almost all initiated chats on the Telegram network. Only the private chats are E2EE and they're not default and rather inconvenient because they don't sync between devices (unlike Signal's E2EE chats).

Not really no. > To protect the data that is not covered by end-to-end encryption, Telegram uses a distributed infrastructure. Cloud chat data is stored in multiple data centers around the globe that are controlled by different legal entities spread across different jurisdictions. The relevant decryption keys are split into parts and are never kept in the same place as the data they protect. As a result, several cour…

Where does it say they don't have the keys? It literally says they store the keys in their own datacenters. Which is obvious anyway, otherwise the API wouldn't be able to return the unencrypted data.
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