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Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by rapatel0 »

choppaface wrote: post #624
rapatel0 wrote: post #468

I lived for about 12 months in telegraph hill (got lucky with a solid apartment). I had my wife and 1 year old son. Despite it being a really nice and affluent neighborhood, there was a weekly mugging outside my house. Any packages or items left outside were basically taken if left out for more than 1 hour. My neighbor’s car parked in front of the house was stolen, taken for a joyride and left in a random part of the…

Telegraph Hill is one of the most touristy parts of the city, hence lots of crime (especially at night). It might be pretty but you just chose poorly / naively if safety was a priority. Raising a kid in SF is definitely tough, but places in the Sunset have yards, and there are some top-notch schools e.g. Lowell High School, UHS, Lick, etc. A lot of tech people come from out of town and don’t take any time to adjust t…

Actually due to a confluence of events the place we chose was the best deal we found. The decision was based on cost (not trendiness)

Regarding schools, school catchment is based on an esoteric lottery system loosely related to the area you place you live. If you have money, there are ways to game the system but otherwise it’s a low probability roll of the dice that you get a good school. Also, I didn’t have money

Also, Day cares generally have a waitlist that starts before children are born.

It’s interesting you feel you can judge the type of person I am almost no information. The internet makes everyone overfit their priors.

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Post by wisconsiway »

jrflowers wrote: post #487
wisconsiway wrote: post #470

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“You mentioned that bringing back nazis killed the site but curiously you did not at any point in any way imply that it is the world’s biggest platform… The argument you’re making solely in my head isn’t very consistent!”

It's a distillation of site-wide sentiment exemplified by your comment in one particular dimension.

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Post by jacobr1 »

KerrAvon wrote: post #639
trgn wrote: post #629

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turn of the century suburbs truly are goldilocks neighborhoods.

genuinely curious which century you mean?

I'm sure he meant the early 1900s. I've usually heard these called "streetcar suburbs" for obvious reasons. They tend to have a good mix of urban and suburban vibes. Unlike the car-focused developments after the war, these neighborhoods are super walkable with local retail or other spots just a stroll away, or a short streetcar hop. The design is all about pedestrians, with narrow streets, plenty of sidewalks, and often tree-lined avenues. The houses, seem to have been more often built by skilled craftsmen, and have unique architectural details, unlike the cookie-cutter homes you see in later post-war suburbs.

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Post by PM_me_your_math »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #666
janalsncm wrote: post #371

Had a recruiter call with Twitter a few months ago. Mandatory in office 5 days per week. Among other things, an hour commute both ways to work was not acceptable. Maybe they will have better luck in Santa Clara. I don’t buy any of the flamebait reasons for leaving SF. Reason 1 is money and reason 2 is talent pool.

Musk runs Twitter like a dictator. The first and only reason is whatever Musk felt like. Twitter was imperically a terrible financial decision. It seems like a bold statement to say the #1 is de facto money. I suspect non-money issues are much higher on the list. If anyone on the planet doesn't need more money, it's Musk.

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Post by devoutsalsa »

seizethecheese wrote: post #399
janalsncm wrote: post #371

Had a recruiter call with Twitter a few months ago. Mandatory in office 5 days per week. Among other things, an hour commute both ways to work was not acceptable. Maybe they will have better luck in Santa Clara. I don’t buy any of the flamebait reasons for leaving SF. Reason 1 is money and reason 2 is talent pool.

I’ve had several meetings, either in Twitter office or around it, and the street scene is very bad in that part of SF. If the claim is that this is a motivation for the move, it certainly passes the sniff test for me.

I used live in the Tenderloin and work in the Twitter building. My walk to work required me to be mindful of both stationary and recently minted poop in transit. This was in 2019.

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Post by bobthepanda »

lazide wrote: post #662
thatfrenchguy wrote: post #610

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I don't know, the residential neighborhoods of SF are the perfect place to raise a family if you make tech money: dense enough that there is a ton of stuff to do and your kid knows other kid nearby, low density enough that you get 1500-2500sqft to yourself.

SF schools and traffic are terrible with kids. Suburbs are generally much mellower.

I mean this depends on what specifically you’re optimizing for.

A child in the suburb will need a chauffeur to get anywhere outside their immediate subdivision, and sometimes within it. Children are perfectly capable of taking public transit and using their two feet, though.

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Post by danlugo92 »

WheatMillington wrote: post #512
sangnoir wrote: post #293

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> I never understood why the company would put its employees in danger... Like forcing them to drive to the office 2-5 days each week when they could continue working from home?

This is peak HN - "stop putting me in danger be making me leave my house"

Imagine they had to work on a field or something,

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Post by dheera »

curiousllama wrote: post #481
throw4847285 wrote: post #444

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Just in response to your second point, I do think that's specific to you and your circles. I know multiple retired or semi-retired people who have moved towards the center of a city. Without work to keep them occupied, they want the hustle and bustle, which means something to do. And driving has become more of a hassle and a barrier to the kinds of lives they want to live. These are east coast or midwest cities, so m…

Cities' attractiveness feels u-shaped Young adults love it bc they have the time to go to bars/restaurants/clubs Middle aged folks hate it because they're so busy - they can't take advantage, and other people get in their way (some) Older folks like it again bc they have the time to go to restaurants/theater

I'm young, like cities, but dislike SF.

The main reasons are

- crime -- SF isn't like Asian cities where I can walk around safely at night

- lack of public transit AND lack of parking (either convenient parking OR good transit would be fine, but SF has neither)

- rents are unaffordably high and I need a lot of space for projects

- not clean

- Asian food is mediocre compared to suburbs like Cupertino and Fremont

I love cities like Singapore, Stockholm, Taipei, and Chengdu, though. These cities have everything I like about cities. Good transit, cleanliness, safety, and good food (by my standards) everywhere.

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Post by justinhj »

ben_w wrote: post #262
dbbk wrote: post #259

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> Sure the site still mostly works in the technical sense They just auto-banned everyone who downloaded their new Mac app so... no

Oh? I missed that news. Edit: This, I guess: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/x-kills-its-mac-app-ac...

“ If you're a Twitter diehard who's not willing to swap to X, it might be finally time to ditch X for Mastadon or Threads. On your way out, don't forget to delete your X account.” journalists are so biased against X

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Post by bobthepanda »

AlbertCory wrote: post #638
silisili wrote: post #590

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Don't forget access to doctors and hospitals. I browse city-data at times out of boredom, and it's a major concern for retired people considering relocating anywhere.

In fact I know a retired guy who moved to Maui, and then moved back. The principal reason was the saying they have, "If you have a pain, get on a plane." You might get served in Honolulu. Quite often you're flying to the mainland, though. That said, living right in the city isn't necessary at all. The 'burbs have almost every facility you could want.

For people aging and not in the best of health, declining vision/response times makes driving riskier, and there is often a preference for homes without stairs as well, which might very well be a condo with an elevator. Then there’s also common area maintenance in condos vs. the manual labor of lawn care, pool care, etc.
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