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AT&T says criminals stole phone records of 'nearly all' customers in data breach

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AT&T has 110 million customers. Let's be optimistic and assume that each customer only has to spend one minute of extra time managing their account due to the break-in. That is more than 209 years of lost time. Laws related to data breaches need to have much sharper teeth. Companies are going to do the bare minimum when it comes to securing data as long as breaches have almost no real consequences. Maybe pierce the c…

33% of all living americans? how can it be that much?

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So, what is the actual threat from this? That someone now has my phone number (already public) and knows that I have called or texted with some other numbers? What is the risk in that? It’s not clear.

Well for one thing they can start figuring out who is not yet registered on Signal but would likely be in the phone contacts list of a rich person's number that they know. Social engineering attacks succeed with less.

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AT&T has 110 million customers. Let's be optimistic and assume that each customer only has to spend one minute of extra time managing their account due to the break-in. That is more than 209 years of lost time. Laws related to data breaches need to have much sharper teeth. Companies are going to do the bare minimum when it comes to securing data as long as breaches have almost no real consequences. Maybe pierce the c…

The law that would have prevented this breach would be to make it illegal for telcos to sell customer data. The reason AT&T was feeding ALL the data to Snowflake was to sell their customer's location and social graph to marketers. It is unconscionable to me that this in not currently the law.

Do you have a source for that claim?

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Reading the articles about this breach and the nature of the data in this Snowflake lake, I personally wouldn’t consider this breach a “leak” from the customer perspective - to me the leak is upstream of this breach. Given the nature of the data in the database and the platform it was stored in, it seems extremely likely this data was not meant to be used internally by AT&T but was instead meant to be used externally…

That's the issue with dragnet data collection and Snowflake-esque databases - it's never safe to enter any personal information on the internet. Given enough time, any and all of it will be "shared" and used for a third party's financial/political gain. Doesn't matter if it's AT&T, a bank, or the government. Never under any circumstances can you expect anything sensitive to stay private. This used to be taught as gos…

Given that most businesses and government agencies now allow remote access (i.e. WFH) all personal information is on the internet already.

Re: AT&T says criminals stole phone records of 'nearly all' customers in data breach

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The law that would have prevented this breach would be to make it illegal for telcos to sell customer data. The reason AT&T was feeding ALL the data to Snowflake was to sell their customer's location and social graph to marketers. It is unconscionable to me that this in not currently the law.

Do you have a source for that claim?

* https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-fines-largest-wireless-carr...

* https://www.vice.com/en/article/nepxbz/i-gave-a-bounty-hunte...

* https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7vqkv/how-fbi-gets-phone-da...

* https://www.vice.com/en/article/3a87bv/fcc-propose-fines-ver...

* https://krebsonsecurity.com/2024/04/fcc-fines-major-u-s-wire...

Joseph Cox is basically the only investigative journalist that digs into constant PII violations before the leaks happen.

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It surprises me that there isn't a single comment pointing out that corporations like AT&T don't collect all that data for fun. This actually costs them a lot of money, but they're legally required by the government. While everyone is blaming the company, did you not take a second and contemplate how weird it is that you're fine with the government (and now everyone else es well) getting a record of all your phone ac…

The government isn’t distributing my data to everyone else (so far). For profit companies have a pretty massive list of breaches so far.

You are forced to give your personal data to government. You don't have to give your data to any company. That's huge difference.

Re: AT&T says criminals stole phone records of 'nearly all' customers in data breach

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The law that would have prevented this breach would be to make it illegal for telcos to sell customer data. The reason AT&T was feeding ALL the data to Snowflake was to sell their customer's location and social graph to marketers. It is unconscionable to me that this in not currently the law.

Do you have a source for that claim?

Here's Snowflake bragging about helping telcos sell location data: https://www.snowflake.com/blog/telecom-data-partnerships/

Re: AT&T says criminals stole phone records of 'nearly all' customers in data breach

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AT&T has 110 million customers. Let's be optimistic and assume that each customer only has to spend one minute of extra time managing their account due to the break-in. That is more than 209 years of lost time. Laws related to data breaches need to have much sharper teeth. Companies are going to do the bare minimum when it comes to securing data as long as breaches have almost no real consequences. Maybe pierce the c…

Nothing happened to Experian, and those clowns have beaches every year. The USA has so far proved that we don't care about privacy and don't believe data is real.

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AT&T has 110 million customers. Let's be optimistic and assume that each customer only has to spend one minute of extra time managing their account due to the break-in. That is more than 209 years of lost time. Laws related to data breaches need to have much sharper teeth. Companies are going to do the bare minimum when it comes to securing data as long as breaches have almost no real consequences. Maybe pierce the c…

Everyone says what needs to happen. Every thread has this same exact post. We all know what needs to happen. How _would_ this ever happen? This is a board of innovators -- innovate!

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