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Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

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Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

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Then assign names to the tickets after purchase. Should be allowed up to 24 hours before the event or something.

That beats the entire purpose of having names on tickets, which is to stop scalers.

No, because at least 1 name has to be assigned on purchase. So the scalper is still out 1 ticket.

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

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They only collected my fingerprint last time I went.

Are there no cameras in the fingerprint collection area?

I don't recall. There's probably cameras everywhere. Disney is hardcore.

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

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That's the secret. If nobody used them, they would go away.

That might have been true in decades past. They now, having merged with LiveNation, have effective ownership of all major and semi-major venues around the country. They also aren't just doing concerts, they're doing sporting events and other live entertainment as well. They aren't going anywhere. They are just too big, and too ingrained.

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Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

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Okay, but how many business flights are actually last-minute like that? Whenever I've flown for work reasons the tickets were bought at least a week in advance, and usually 3+ weeks in advance. Likewise, there are plenty of non-business flights booked last-minute like that, too - like, as a personal example, needing to book a same-night flight to help a family member drive cross-country with her kids and personal bel…

I would guess most of your exposure to business travel is within tech or consulting, which rarely require last-minute booking. I would imagine most last-minute bookings for business travel come from people in sales. I’ve seen many sales people find out a prospective client is open to meet and immediately hop on a flight just to potentially make a sale. The opportunity cost is worth it even for small businesses. My ex…

Or physical world engineering: my brother had to hop on a plane last minute to go fix in place a machine having issues plenty of times.

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

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I hate TM and ridiculous fees as much as anyone, but this article is overly hyperbolic. There's a section named "Pirating Tickets", that just explains how to re-create a barcode that you already paid for. You're not using this to rob anyone of anything. And at the end, "Have fun refactoring your ticket verification system". Why? There are no vulnerabilities here. A rotating barcode (even if following a known pattern)…

Thank you for posting this. This article left me super unsatisfied too.

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

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post #554

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True. I feel it, it's locked without my face and I can track it.

Have a picture of your ID on your phone, like every other person has. Or bring a photocopy of your ID that you can throw away after entering.

That's not valid. And almost no one would except it. The real digital version is still in the making.

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

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post #686

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Have a picture of your ID on your phone, like every other person has. Or bring a photocopy of your ID that you can throw away after entering.

That's not valid. And almost no one would except it. The real digital version is still in the making.

I knew this comment would come. But you're wrong. A photo of your ID is accepted almost everywhere, and especially at a ticketed event where the only purpose is to match your face to the name on the ticket. They're not the police, they just want to check that you're the person who should have the ticket.

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

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Maybe we could just reduce the patent's duration to compensate for the acceleration of information diffusion caused by the internet in the last few decades. Does that seem reasonable to you?

What problem are we trying to solve? Why do we think there is a problem? If the idea behind the system was to give people a financial incentive to innovate, and since the system has been put in place humans have been exponentially more innovative than they were before, why do we think it needs fixing? Nothing seems reasonable to me on the topic unless it comes with evidence as to how it would improve a system that wo…

> If the idea behind the system was to give people a financial incentive to innovate

No, it wasn't. The idea behind the system was to give people a financial incentive to be _open_. Patents are a trade with the commons; you would give up your secrets for a limited time period of exclusivity. People would innovate with or without patents, but they would keep that innovation to themselves.

With software, both sides of that bargain have changed. Secrets are harder to keep, and since everything moves so much faster, any given time period is much more damaging to the commons (e.g., 20 years is forever in software).

(I also don't think Ticketmaster affairs have anything to do with patents, FWIW)

Re: Reverse engineering Ticketmaster's rotating barcodes

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No they don’t, that’s not how the money works in concerts. The bands get paid a flat fee by the promoter. You can Google this if you don’t believe me but I know from working with concert promoters. Why would Ticketmaster/live nation pay them at all? They don’t have to, the bands don’t have any other places to play and they make most of their income from live shows.

Platinum Tickets are priced by the artists who get the bulk of the revenue.

Just to back this up, Robert Smith references Platinum Tickets here https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-64975160

Choice quote: "It is a greedy scam and all artists have the choice not to participate. If no artists participated, it would cease to exist."

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