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Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by doctor_eval »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #610
epolanski wrote: post #393

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There was one demo where you could talk to Siri about your mom and it would understand the context because of stuff that she (your mom) had written in one of her emails to you... that's the kind of stuff that I think we all imagined an AI world would look like. I can't but feel all of this super creepy.

Yep. I remember vividly the comment on Windows Recall that said if the same was done by Apple it would be applauded. Here we are.

At the risk of sounding like an Apple apologist, Apple has a pretty good (though not perfect) track record for privacy and security.

Microsoft on the other hand… well, I understand they just pulled the recall feature after it was discovered the data wasn’t even encrypted at rest?!

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by hmottestad »

highwaylights wrote: post #603
ethbr1 wrote: post #334

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> I always saw this level of personal intelligence to come about at some point, but I didn’t expect Apple to hit it out of the park so strongly. Benefit of drawing people into their ecosystem. It's the benefit of how Apple does product ownership. In contrast to Google and Microsoft. I hadn't considered it, but AI convergence is going to lay bare organizational deficiencies in a way previous revolutions didn't. Nobody…

Ironically, I feel like Apple might have lost me as a customer today. It won't matter to Apple, obviously, but so much of what they showed today I just felt was actively pushing me out of the ecosystem. I first bought some devices for myself, then those devices got handed off to family when I upgraded, and now we're at a point where we still use all of the devices we bought to date - but the arbitrary obsolescence ha…

From rumours of Apple buying lots of GPUs from Nvidia not that long ago I think management got a nice little scare when OpenAI released GPT-3.5 and then GPT-4. It takes several years to bring a CPU to market. Apple probably realised far too late that they needed specific features in their SOCs to handle the new AI stuff, so it wasn’t included in anything before the A17 Pro. For the M1, M2 and M3 I believe that Apple is willing to sacrifice heat and battery to achieve what they want. The A17 Pro is probably very efficient at running LLMs so it can do so in a phone with a small battery and terrible thermal performance. For their Macs and iPads with M1, M2, M3 they will just run the LLMs on the AMX or the GPU cores and use more power and produce more heat.

Could also be a memory problem. The A17 Pro in the iPhone 15 Pro comes with 8 GB of memory while everything before that has 6 GB or less. All machines with the M1 or newer come with at least 8 GB of memory.

PS: The people who bought the Intel Mac Pro after the M1 was released knew very well what they were getting into.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by sakisv »

theshrike79 wrote: post #513
vjulian wrote: post #472

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Could you please explain ‘lay bare organisational deficiencies’? I ask without skepticism.

Most companies don't have an unified platform they can build this on. And even if they seem to have superficially, the internal organisation is so splintered that it'll never happen. Like what's going on inside Google, it's getting stupidly political and infighty. If someone tries to build a comprehensive LLM that touches on gmail, youtube, docs, sheets etc, it's going to be an uphill battle.

They did do that. Back in 2013-2015 or so. It was called Google Now, and it was a bit like magic.

It showed you contextual cards based on your upcoming trips/appointments/traveling patterns. E.g. Any tube delays on your way home from work. How early you should leave to catch your flight.

This alongside Google Inbox was among the best and most "futuristic" products.

I was glad to see today Apple implementing something similar to both of these.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by brundolf »

markus_zhang wrote: post #549

TBH, I think the IT industry is too concentrated at eating itself. We are happily automating our jobs away and such while the other industries basically just sleep through. I don't want generative AI in my phone. I want someone, or something to book a meeting with my family doctor, the head of my son's future primary school, etc. I don't need AI to do that. I need the other industries (medical/government/education) t…

Social problems are the hard ones, information problems are the easy ones. So the latter are the low-hanging fruit that gets solved first

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by gambiting »

kolinko wrote: post #657
markus_zhang wrote: post #549

TBH, I think the IT industry is too concentrated at eating itself. We are happily automating our jobs away and such while the other industries basically just sleep through. I don't want generative AI in my phone. I want someone, or something to book a meeting with my family doctor, the head of my son's future primary school, etc. I don't need AI to do that. I need the other industries (medical/government/education) t…

As for government - depends on a country. In Poland we have an mCitizen (mObywatel) mobile app that allows to handle more things tear by year, and we have internet sites with unified citizen login for most of the other government interactions. The last time our IRS wanted sth from me, they just e-mailed me, I replied and the issue was solved in 5 minutes. Oh, and you don’t need any paper ids within the country - driv…

You don't have to walk to the local government office to get car registration plates anymore? That was always annoying as hell.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by anon22981 »

rising-sky wrote: post #674
Nition wrote: post #655

Aside from the search and Siri improvements, I'm really not sure about the usefulness of all the generative stuff Apple is suggesting we might use here. If you spend an hour drawing a picture for someone for their birthday and send it to them, a great deal of the value to them is not in the quality of the picture but in the fact that you went to the effort, and that it's something unique only you could produce for th…

You could say the same thing for sending a Happy Birthday text, versus a hand written letter or card. Nothing is stopping a person from sending the latter today, and yes they are more appreciated, but people also appreciate the text. For example, if you're remote and perhaps don't have that deep of a relationship with them

Your analogy does not apply at all.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by brundolf »

TechnicolorByte wrote: post #153

Have to say, I was thoroughly impressed by what Apple showed today with all this Personal AI stuff. And it proves that the real power of consumer AI will be in the hands of the platform owners where you have most of your digital life in already (Apple or Google for messaging, mail, photos, apps; Microsoft for work and/or life). The way Siri can now perform actions based on context from emails and messages like settin…

An interesting consequence: I started to think about how I'll be incentivized to take more pictures of useful information, and might even try setting up a Proton Mail proxy so I can use the iOS Email app and give Siri more context

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by prepend »

markus_zhang wrote: post #549

TBH, I think the IT industry is too concentrated at eating itself. We are happily automating our jobs away and such while the other industries basically just sleep through. I don't want generative AI in my phone. I want someone, or something to book a meeting with my family doctor, the head of my son's future primary school, etc. I don't need AI to do that. I need the other industries (medical/government/education) t…

I’ve had some success with google assistant calling restaurants to make reservations, when they are phone only. I expect it’s a matter of time until they can camp on my doctors office. Or call my insurance and pretend to be me.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by hmottestad »

cyberpunk wrote: post #584
dereg wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple Intelligence stuff is going to be very big. iOS is clearly the right platform to marry great UX AI with. Latching LLMs onto Siri have allowed the Siri team to quickly atone for its sins. I think the private compute stuff to be really big. Beyond the obvious use the cloud servers for heavy computing type tasks, I suspect it means we're going to get our own private code interpreter (proper scripting on iOS) and t…

I don't get this at all, how does integrating siri with a llm mean you get an interpreter and allowing development?

As much as I hoped for Xcode on the iPad, I still don’t think any of this AI stuff or “private cloud” is related.

Though I don’t know if I would use my iPad for programming even if it was possible, when I have a powerful Macbook Pro with a larger screen.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by Nition »

rising-sky wrote: post #674
Nition wrote: post #655

Aside from the search and Siri improvements, I'm really not sure about the usefulness of all the generative stuff Apple is suggesting we might use here. If you spend an hour drawing a picture for someone for their birthday and send it to them, a great deal of the value to them is not in the quality of the picture but in the fact that you went to the effort, and that it's something unique only you could produce for th…

You could say the same thing for sending a Happy Birthday text, versus a hand written letter or card. Nothing is stopping a person from sending the latter today, and yes they are more appreciated, but people also appreciate the text. For example, if you're remote and perhaps don't have that deep of a relationship with them

I guess the question is, is sending an AI Happy Birthday image better than sending a Happy Birthday text?
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