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Re: GPT-4o

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Post by siliconc0w »

I much prefer a GLADOS-type AI voice than one that approximates an endlessly happy chipper enthusiastic personal assistant. I think the AI tutor is probably the strongest for actual real-world value delivered the rest of them are cool but a bit questionable as far as actual pragmatic usefulness.

It'd be cool if an AI calling the another AI would recognize it'd talking to an AI and then they agree to ditch the fake conversational tone and just shift into a high-bandwidth modem pitch to rapidly exchange information. Or upgradable offensive capabilities to outmaneuver the customer service agents when they try to decline your warranty or whatever.

Re: GPT-4o

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Post by hoag »

lottin wrote: post #569
cal85 wrote: post #495

We've had voice input and voice output with computers for a long time, but it's never felt like spoken conversation. At best it's a series of separate voice notes. It feels more like texting than talking. These demos show people talking to artificial intelligence. This is new. Humans are more partial to talking than writing. When people talk to each other (in person or over low-latency audio) there's a rich metadata…

But in this case you're not talking with a real person. Instinctively, I dislike a robot that pretends to be a real human being.

But I think this animosity is very much expected, no? Even I felt a momentary hint of "jealousy" -- if you can even call it that -- when I realized that we humans are, in a sense, not really so special anymore.

But of course this was the age-old debate with our favorite golden-eyed android; and unsurprisingly, he too received the same sort of animosity:

Bones was deeply skeptical when he first met Data: "I don't see no points on your ears, boy, but you sound like a Vulcan." And we all know how much he loved those green-blooded fools.

Likewise, Dr. Pulanski has since been criticized for her rude and dismissive attitudes towards Data that had flavors of what might even be considered "racism," or so goes the Trekverse discussion on the topic.

And let's of course not forget when he was on trial essentially for "humanity," or whether hew as indeed just the property of Starfleet, and nothing more.

More recent incarnations of Star Trek: Picard illustrated the outright ban on "synthetics" and indeed their effective banishment; non-synthetic life -- from human to Roman -- simply weren't ok with them.

Yes this is all science fiction silliness -- or adoration depending on your point of view -- but I think it very much reflects the myriad directions our real life world is going to scatter (shatter?) in the coming years ahead.

Re: GPT-4o

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Post by thehappypm »

deanCommie wrote: post #663
cal85 wrote: post #495

We've had voice input and voice output with computers for a long time, but it's never felt like spoken conversation. At best it's a series of separate voice notes. It feels more like texting than talking. These demos show people talking to artificial intelligence. This is new. Humans are more partial to talking than writing. When people talk to each other (in person or over low-latency audio) there's a rich metadata…

> Humans are more partial to talking than writing. Amazon, Google, and Apple have sunk literally billions of dollars into this idea only to find out that, no, we aren't. We are with other humans, yes. When socialization is part of the conversation. When I'm talking to my local barista I'm not just ordering a coffee, I'm also maintaining a relationship with someone in my community. But when it comes to work, writing >…

I think Alexa and Google Assistant simply are too low-intelligence to really consider it “talking” and not just voice commanding

Re: GPT-4o

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Post by ianbicking »

Hugsun wrote: post #298

Very interesting and extremely impressive! I tried using the voice chat in their app previously and was disappointed. The big UX problem was that it didn't try to understand when I had finished speaking. English is a second language and I paused a bit too long thinking of a word and it just started responding to my obviously half spoken sentence. Trying again it just became stressful as I had to rush my words out to…

This makes me wonder: if you tell 4o something like "listen to me until I say all done" will it be able to suppress its output until it hears that?

I'm guessing not quite possible now, just because I'm guessing patiently waiting is a different band of information that they haven't implemented. But I really don't know.

Re: GPT-4o

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Post by nerdponx »

kkukshtel wrote: post #601
cal85 wrote: post #495

We've had voice input and voice output with computers for a long time, but it's never felt like spoken conversation. At best it's a series of separate voice notes. It feels more like texting than talking. These demos show people talking to artificial intelligence. This is new. Humans are more partial to talking than writing. When people talk to each other (in person or over low-latency audio) there's a rich metadata…

The "magic" moment really hit in this, like you're saying. Watching it happen and being like "this is a new thing". Not only does it respond in basically realtime, it concocts a _whole response_ back to you as well. It's like asking someone what they think about chairs, and then that person being able to then respond to you with a verbatim book on the encyclopedia of chairs. Insane. I'm also incredibly excited about…

As goofy as I personally think this is, it's pretty cool that we're converging on something like C3P0 or Plankton's Computer with nothing more than the entire corpus of the world's information, a bunch of people labeling data, and a big pile of linear algebra.

Re: GPT-4o

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Post by ianbicking »

hbn wrote: post #637
Hugsun wrote: post #298

Very interesting and extremely impressive! I tried using the voice chat in their app previously and was disappointed. The big UX problem was that it didn't try to understand when I had finished speaking. English is a second language and I paused a bit too long thinking of a word and it just started responding to my obviously half spoken sentence. Trying again it just became stressful as I had to rush my words out to…

> I noticed that the AI in the demo seems to be very rambly That's been a major issue for me with LLMs this whole time. They can't just give me an answer, they have to spout a whole preamble that usually includes spitting my query back at me and trying to impress me with how many words it's saying, like it's a requirement. You can tell it e.g. "don't give me anything other than the list" but it's annoying to have to…

They really need a "hidden yap" mode. LLMs perform better on difficult questions or interactions when they have "room to think". An introductory paragraph is like that, and it's as much for the LLM to form its thoughts as it's for the user. But for all that the intro paragraph doesn't have to be _read_ by the user, it just has to be emitted by GPT and put into the transcript.

Re: GPT-4o

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Post by enraged_camel »

deanCommie wrote: post #663
cal85 wrote: post #495

We've had voice input and voice output with computers for a long time, but it's never felt like spoken conversation. At best it's a series of separate voice notes. It feels more like texting than talking. These demos show people talking to artificial intelligence. This is new. Humans are more partial to talking than writing. When people talk to each other (in person or over low-latency audio) there's a rich metadata…

> Humans are more partial to talking than writing. Amazon, Google, and Apple have sunk literally billions of dollars into this idea only to find out that, no, we aren't. We are with other humans, yes. When socialization is part of the conversation. When I'm talking to my local barista I'm not just ordering a coffee, I'm also maintaining a relationship with someone in my community. But when it comes to work, writing >…

>> When I'm talking to my local barista I'm not just ordering a coffee, I'm also maintaining a relationship with someone in my community.

>>> But when it comes to work, writing >>> talking. Writing is clarity of ideas. Talking is cult of personality.

A lot of people think of their colleagues as part of a professional community as well, though.

Re: GPT-4o

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

OpenAI keeps a copy of all conversations? Or mines them for commercially-useful information?

Has OpenAI found a business model yet. Considering the high cost of the computation, is it reasonable to expect that OpenAI licensing may not be profitable. Will that result in "free" access for the purpose of surveillance and data collection.

Amazon had a microphone in peoples' living rooms, a so-called "smart speaker" that to which people could talk. The "Alexa" was a commercial failure.

Re: GPT-4o

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Post by nostrebored »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #688

OpenAI keeps a copy of all conversations? Or mines them for commercially-useful information? Has OpenAI found a business model yet. Considering the high cost of the computation, is it reasonable to expect that OpenAI licensing may not be profitable. Will that result in "free" access for the purpose of surveillance and data collection. Amazon had a microphone in peoples' living rooms, a so-called "smart speaker" that…

I don’t know anything about conversation retention, but I do know that OpenAI doesn’t plan to be profitable until AGI.

Re: GPT-4o

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Post by achow »

cal85 wrote: post #495

We've had voice input and voice output with computers for a long time, but it's never felt like spoken conversation. At best it's a series of separate voice notes. It feels more like texting than talking. These demos show people talking to artificial intelligence. This is new. Humans are more partial to talking than writing. When people talk to each other (in person or over low-latency audio) there's a rich metadata…

> Humans are more partial to talking than writing.

Is it so?

Speaking most of the time is for short exchange of information (pleasantries to essential information exchanges).

I prefer writing for long in-depth thought exchanges (whether by emails, blogs etc.)

In many cultures - European or Asian, people are not very loquacious in everyday life.

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