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In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by zwayhowder »

I wish Firefox would support faster profile switching. I consult and have multiple customers who all insist I use their Gmail or Outlook accounts, so I need about 6 profiles on the go. I can't use containers because it means I can't default, for example Google to my Personal container, which I want in my standard profile.

Having to create shortcuts to load each profile or keep about:profiles open is frustrating compared to the Chrome experience.

It's not enough to stop me using FF as my daily driver, but it is enough to stop my partner using it for theirs.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by graphe »

EvanAnderson wrote: post #678
graphe wrote: post #664

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Your point is that struggling publishers will stay relevant, gain subscribers and afloat/make more money by implementing ad blockers, worst user experience and safety checks to make their sites less accessible. I'm sure it'll happen any day now.

Absolutely, yes. They will be empowered by tools they don't yet have to make it feasible to slowly "boil the frog". Remote attestation is just such a tool.

The frogs already moved onto 4chan, twitter, TikTok, reddit, or YouTube for news. Even here at HN everyone uses archive. Publishers are dead. Nobody checks fox/cnn for the latest breaking news or needs to hear some anchor/journalist tell them what their handlers told them to say.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by yetanother12345 »

krastanov wrote: post #85
jcalvinowens wrote: post #5

I switched back to firefox last year and haven't looked back. I still use chrome on another laptop sometimes, the performance difference from my human perspective is literally zero. These days, it's much more common for me to encounter a website that works in firefox but not chrome than the other way around. I actually switched for good when I had to use firefox to file my taxes, because the IRS free self-file site w…

Firefox out of the box indeed does not cause broken websites. However, the demographic of this forum probably will use Firefox with "Multi-Account Containers", "Temporary Containers", "uBlock Origin", and a few more. These are amazing for privacy and productivity, but will occasionally cause broken websites. Source: I am a Firefox-first user who occasionally uses plugin-less Chrome because the aforementioned plugins…

In general, browsers do not cause broken websites

This, again, can be restated as incompetent developers cause broken websites (!)

("... do not attribute to bad faith that which can be explained by stupidity")

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by dudul »

ranting-moth wrote: post #9

If you keep feeding the Google monster you soon won't be able to browse the internet without a 3rd party attesting that your computer is worth browsing that site. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/07/googles-web-integrit...

I admire how they barely try to hide the fact that it's just a way to bombard you even more with ads. They don't even care to pretend at this point.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by Drakim »

graphe wrote: post #435
goku12 wrote: post #411

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> Which sites require those? How would that allow them to make more profit? Practically every banking site (or more importantly banking apps). And a lot of weird cases like bus/train timings app, mobile operator apps, etc. You don't see that a lot with websites yet because the web isn't so severely constrained as mobile apps are. But the moment they appear, it will go the other way. One good example of this is AMP -…

Making a website less accessible doesn't make any sense. You've given an example of apps like before and you've yet to substantiate any points you made, maybe bank logins have a reason to be secure but that forum you go to doesn't, and wouldn't do this. If they wanted to make it less accessible they could easily do that by forcing you to use newer browser versions which some boilerplate sites with frameworks do, from…

Netflix will not deliver the highest resolution video unless you have a DRM supporting browser.

Website operators don't need to outright block you, they can just start putting certain features behind "the wall".

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by CharlesW »

tslocum wrote: post #628
CharlesW wrote: post #617

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Gecko is the browser engine. WebRender is a component of Gecko, specifically a GPU-based 2D rendering engine. It is not a browser engine.

Yes, WebRender makes up the compositor portion of the browser rendering engine. A very large, critical portion of it. Thus, saying "Gecko had a good and honorable run" is disingenuous to the large-scale changes and progress the developers have made (and continue to make) on the rendering engine.

I think you think I hate Gecko. In fact, I've used it since it was NGLayout and think it's one of the most important pieces of software in computing history. I have deep respect for the world-class engineers working on WebRender and other Gecko components.

I simply think that it's time has come. Remember that Mozilla itself once intended to replace Gecko with Servo.

I have no doubt that WebRender is brilliant, but WebRender will not save Gecko, and Gecko will not save Firefox.

If Firefox is worth saving — and I think that with hard choices, its decline can be reversed — then Gecko and its components are non-differentiating ballast that must be dropped if the balloon is to get over the mountain. IMHO, of course.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by babypuncher »

ferbivore wrote: post #333
babypuncher wrote: post #293

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When these sites break I prefer to spam their support or just not use them. If they won't support firefox then they don't deserve my patronage.

It's not patronage if you don't pay. Google would rather not have you as a user if it costs them any amount of time to support you. The relationship here is adversarial on both sides and pretending otherwise doesn't help anyone.

if firefox users keep flooding their support line with problems then that means firefox users are costing them money. eventually it will be cheaper to build software that actually works.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by goofyreader »

I’m probably one of the few users in the Apple ecosystem that uses Firefox for desktop but safari for mobile. Was really into Firefox on both, but ended up switching to safari for mobile because it’s less hassle to use UI wise + more feature rich esp when mobile typing is slow. Definitely losing out on the whole syncing benefits. If Firefox mobile supported adblockers and other extensions I’d make the switch.
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