Not buying an 8GB laptop in 2024, and I have zero intentions of paying the 300 euros markup to double it.
Those macbooks can stay on the shelf for me.
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I imagine the amount of people upgrading from an M2 Mac will be close to 0, while there's a lot of Intel stragglers out there.
Intel straggler here. And I'll remain one until Linux runs flawlessly on the newer generation. I have an older Thinkpad as my main workhorse and a now quite old Macbook air for on the road, it's battery has been shot for a long time but it still works quite good when plugged in and I'm too much of a miser to have it replaced. But if there is a way to run a full Linux distro on the newer hardware then I'll probably bu…
I don't know if this is at all helpful, but I have Ubuntu running nicely inside Orbstack on a Mac Studio. Obviously it's all running inside MacOS though, but it works.
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#683It’s strange that Vision Pro suddenly no longer has the current chip. (But it’s possible that they announced it with the M2 and started working on putting in the M3 as soon as it became available internally.)
I think AVP will have M3. All of the new features screams AVP.
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#684"No matter what your passions are in work or in life, there's a Macbook Pro that's perfect for you." For the vast majority of Apple customers, Macbook Airs are plenty powerful. They're also lighter weight, and significantly cheaper.
M1 Max 16 GB struggles for my use cases, ram is way too low for how much I paid for it.
Then I look at the new line up and they are starting at 8GB still? And please don't BS me with "it's enough for most users", because this is a stupid argument, gonna tell you what, so is my macbook 2013!!!
An 8gb upgrade then costs me 300 euros? This is crazy, 8gb ddr5 memories at Apple volumes is 15$ expense at best.
The fact that Apple keeps gouging software engineers and professionals that will always take the upgraded model (as my employer and virtually all I know does) makes me say yet again: those models can sit on the shelf for me.
I'm not opening my wallet for such a greed.
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#685Base 14" M3 MBP comes with 8 GB RAM at $1599 USD. That's pretty stingy.
Given how much money Apple has, this is simple profiteering. Something governments should look at and come at Apple hard, given this behaviour is inflationary.
I agree and I think it's going to happen eventually. At least something is going to happen. It already looks like customers have been a bit wiser and stopped buying the most egregiously priced models. They are running their computer division to the ground with their outrageous financial mastermind strategy. They put up a good marketing front for their proprietary technology but there is no serious advantage to their stuff anymore. Most prosumer performance focused customers are switching or are thinking about it.
You just need patience and enjoy the fall. Just a few years and soon enough nobody is going to care developing stuff for their platform, it will be mostly empty shells, but at least they are pretty, I guess. Patience my friend, karma will do its thing eventually...
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#686no one does any heavy graphics work a mac anymore.
especially for their showcases of rendering... its all nvidia GPU based for creation and rendered on farms anyway. Same with resolve.
Apple is so dumb.
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#687Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's no reason a whole Thunderbolt bus is needed for every two displays. It's just Apple's decision to build their GPU that way. And to not support industry standard NVIDIA GPU on ARM Macs, too. 1 GPU typically supports 5 output over as little bandwidth as PCIe x1.
Not with nVidia, no, they are 4 displays, always has been. The NVS810 8x display card is using two GM107 GPUs. AMD is 6 displays. You see this rarely on consumer boards but the ASRock 5700 XT Taichi for some inexplicable reason did expose all six -- with four DisplayPorts to boot, too. I do not think there has been 4 DP or six output customer cards since.
There are couple 900-, 10-, 20-, 30-Series NVIDIA with 5 outputs. 700- and below had up to 4. IIUC it's more like up to (x px, y px) max with up to N independent clocks without external adapters or something along that.
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Looks like the latest MBA is only 0.1 lbs less than the equivalent MBP at 3.4 lbs. Feels like they used to be lighter.
How are you determining "equivalent"? I don't agree with your conclusion at all. My M2 MBA is 2.7lbs. The 14" MBP starts at 3.4lbs. That is a very noticeable 26% increase. 0.44 inches thick versus 0.61 inches thick is also noticeable. I have a 14" MBP for work, so I have plenty of first hand experience with both devices. The screen sizes of the relevant laptops are as follows: MBA (13in): 13.6 inches MBP (14in): 14.2…
The resolutions and brightness are also relevant:
MBA (13in): 2560 by 1664 at 500 nits
MBP (14in): 3024 by 1964 at 1000 nits
MBA (15in): 2880 by 1864 at 500 nits
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Easy to say but hard to prove. How much more expensive would an MBP be if they supported it? How many fewer units would they shift? Those are harder questions to answer. We could assume Apple crunched the numbers. Or perhaps they just stuck to the status quo. Only an insider or decision maker (maybe that’s you) knows.
I think their assumption is that if you’re the kind of pro that needs that many monitors, you’ll upgrade to the better chips they sell. But it’s a frustrating limitation and remains one of the only areas their old intel based laptops were better at.
For the past 3 years, including with the latest laptops, "better chip" means 14" M* Pro starting at $1,999. $1,299 M1/M2 or $1,599 Macbook Pro does not support that. When you can find support for dual external display on $600 Windows laptops, or Intel Macbooks since at least 2012. By any standard this is an embarrassment and a regression.
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#690And still starting at 8GB of RAM… Disappointed.
Seriously.... My 16gb MacBook pro M1 work machine runs out of memory constantly. I had a MacBook air 8gb and it was useless, it would freeze constantly and have crackly audio. I found that 24GB ram is really the minimum that is usable on M-series when doing any type of basic work. Likely an output of so many electron based apps which are memory hungry, but if the memory is supposedly "really fast" then I would expect…
> 24GB ram is really the minimum that is usable on M-series when doing any type of basic work
M1 Air with 16 GB RAM. I have RubyMine (JetBrains IDE), an application server running Rails, MariaDB, MongoDB, Redis, Slack, Safari and Apple Music running, and DxO PhotoLab 7 loaded on the non-work desktop space and clicking through some photos I took yesterday. Memory pressure green, laptop chilling at 30 °C.