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Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features

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Re: Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features

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Because of the way production lines work it can actually be cheaper to include it on every seat and unlock it with software.

Cheaper to manufacture, yes, but the cost of the hardware is still included in what you pay for the software-locked car. You've paid for the hardware and you own it, even if it's software-locked. At that point, you're just being asked to fork over $1k or whatever the additional charge is for what essentially amounts to an "on/off" switch. Edit: Hell, to make it sound even more stupid, you're being asked to fork over…

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I don’t understand how you can defend against low voltage attacks like this.

The Xbox 360 was broken by voltage glitching, and Microsoft successfully prevented it from happening again with the Xbox One: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7VwtOrwceo In short, there's now a hardware watchdog which reboots the system if anything weird happens to the clocks/temps/voltages, and they carefully structured their boot ROM (the only code they can't patch later) to ensure that even if you somehow manage t…

That is really cool. I personally installed the reset glitch hack on several Xbox 360. Immediately thought about that when seeing this article on the Tesla

Re: Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features

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post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because of the way production lines work it can actually be cheaper to include it on every seat and unlock it with software.

Cheaper to manufacture, yes, but the cost of the hardware is still included in what you pay for the software-locked car. You've paid for the hardware and you own it, even if it's software-locked. At that point, you're just being asked to fork over $1k or whatever the additional charge is for what essentially amounts to an "on/off" switch. Edit: Hell, to make it sound even more stupid, you're being asked to fork over…

> the cost of the hardware is still included in what you pay for the software-locked car.

Not true. The price you have decided you are willing to pay assumes it is not there. Your payment allocates no portion to the hardware. If you have decided a car is worth $30,000, that is what you are willing to pay, regardless of whether or not they include the hardware.

And, in actuality, you might even consider a car with said hardware to be worth less as it adds weight which will require more fuel and wear and tear expenses over the operating lifetime of the vehicle. The car worth $30,000 without heated seats is, perhaps, only worth $29,000 if the hardware is included.

The cost to manufacturer is their problem. Your value determination is entirely independent of that. Should it cost them $1 or $100,000 to build that $30,000 car – it doesn't matter. You are paying for the value you think you will derive from owing the car, not what it cost them to make it.

Indeed, in the long run the value has to exceed the cost of manufacture, else the business will soon find itself filing for bankruptcy. But in the short term, it is not uncommon to see input costs exceed the value of the product, resulting in a net loss for the business. The buyer doesn't care. Input costs mean absolutely nothing to them.

Re: Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features

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Because what could possibly go wrong hacking a hunk of metal that transports you at lethal speeds...

This line of reasoning is what is used to justify lock-in and anti-right to repair legislation. Following this reasoning you shouldn’t be allowed to change a flat tire on your car as it could be improperly tightened and fly off at speed. Technical constraints to lock out owners/users only serve to enforce a manufacturer’s feudalistic rent seeking and revenue extraction policies. In the overall scope of driving a pers…

Two things can be true at the same time: 1. It's a sketchy idea for the manufacturer to lock away features behind paywalls. 2. It's a really bad idea to monkey with the internals of a self-driving car.

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> you could anonymize your location on Tesla's servers I already anonymise my location on Tesla's servers by simply not owning a Tesla

Your car is filmed and recognized by other teslas.

That is why I ride a bicycle.

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I remember being out for a beer run with a friend during these days. On the way there he pulls into a parking lot and stops in front of a nail salon. He said, "Come on" and I followed him into the nail salon. There were about 10 women in there, not a guy in sight... he goes up to the desk and pushes a button that looks like a doorbell. One of the ladies doing the nails says, "He no work here no more, check dry cleane…

Why did you take the car to cross the road?

To get to the other side...

Re: Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features

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Because what could possibly go wrong hacking a hunk of metal that transports you at lethal speeds...

As someone who made and drives a rat rod, it's basically the same situation? If the car fails due to my physical hacking, it's on me. Should be same for software.

I never said they shouldn't be able to do it; I said it's a bad idea to do it.

To put it in your terms: I'm happy for you to be allowed to drive a rat rod (hello, fellow old? I haven't heard that term in a looong time), but clearly a car with likely no crumple zones, air bags, antilock brakes, etc., etc. is less safe than a modern sedan.

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What kind of car do you have? Your car almost definitely shares its gps location to the manufacturer and downstream data brokers.

Lol, not my 2005 Toyota. It doesn't even have anti-lock brakes, much less a GPS phone-home system.

Hah, fair enough!
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