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Re: Refusing to teach kids math will not improve equity

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Post by dumpsterdiver »

tootie wrote: post #675
dumpsterdiver wrote: post #639

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> What the hell does pushing back on single-family homes look like? A previous poster spelled it out: > by encouraging and aggrandizing stable two-parent families instead of getting schools and teachers to fill proxy parenting roles You seem to be thinking of "pushing back" as some sort of attack upon single parents, when I believe that the original spirit of the comment was more along the lines of: Let's strive to s…

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> That's a load of fluff policy ideas that you have no possible reason to believe will be effective.

Would you care to enlighten me why I have no possible reason to believe that my suggestions will be effective? Surely you know better than I.

Re: Refusing to teach kids math will not improve equity

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Post by hgs3 »

1024core wrote: post #392

This seems such an obvious thing to me, and I'm not even in the field of Education. I agree with everything the writer wrote and found myself nodding repeatedly, thinking, it's obvious. So why can't our so-called professionals see this too? Taking away learning opportunities from kids does them no good! I remember once when I was in 9th grade and my elder brother was a sophomore in college. I found a textbook of his…

> I remember once when I was in 9th grade and my elder brother was a sophomore in college. I found a textbook of his...

I'm curious if/how your teachers reacted?

I wrote a book Freshmen year of high school and started programming on my own. When I presented a physical copy of my self-published book and my computer programs to my teachers they gave me a metaphorical pat on the head, but not one point of extra credit or a special tutor. In computer class I was still expected to learn about Microsoft Excel and in English class I was still required to write two page stories. In my experience, the education system did not empower my curious mind. It felt like I was assigned busy work because the other students lacked motivation otherwise. I can only hope that one day the education system will tailor to the individual.

Re: Refusing to teach kids math will not improve equity

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Post by slt2021 »

tootie wrote: post #672
slt2021 wrote: post #643

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it all comes down to Mother's decision to sustain pregnancy in unstable relationship. Currently America incentivizes single mother childhood because all social handouts are increased if 1) mother is poor/low income 2) has dependents 3) more dependents => more handouts Things like Section 8, Medicaid, SNAP, EBT - were supposed to have social safety net - the lowest standard that any mother can rely on. It ended up tha…

This reads like rational debate, but is really just pure conservative fantasy and at least a little racist. Every time you mention black people in the hood, I assume it means you have never been within 100 miles of an urban environment and have no idea what you're talking about. You act like poverty and broken families only exist with black people. Welfare Queens don't exist. Absolutely no human being in existence si…

You are exaggerating my point, but on the way you exaggerate yourself and make false arguments.

If welfare queens dont exist - then how do you call beneficiaries of these programs like meeicaid?

Poverty exists in white and asian families, but interesting fact - only in black hoods it leads to high crime, high fatality, high incarceration rates.

How do you explain the fact that poor asian neighborhoods dont have crime and have much better achievements among kids?

And I am not sure that more handouts will help, because these handouts come from taxpayers and US a lot of Us taxpayers will be against it

Re: Refusing to teach kids math will not improve equity

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Post by slt2021 »

dumpsterdiver wrote: post #680
slt2021 wrote: post #676

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You cant magically start “involving” absent parents thats what I wanted to say, problem is much deeper than “oh, it is just parental involvement”

Nor can a child be raised without at least one parental type figure. There is no magic involved.

“Parental involvement” as a term is misleading because it assumes there are parents and you just need to start involving them ( like Asian tiger moms are super involved, now lets just make other parents befome as involved).

More correct term would be “dysfunctional family”. Family where one parent is incarcerated, another is drug addict etc etc.

This term more correctly describes situation that kid is alone in his education aspirations and needs state assistance

Re: Refusing to teach kids math will not improve equity

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Post by Izkata »

Ichthypresbyter wrote: post #508
pwthornton wrote: post #496

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My high school started somewhere around 7:22. I got up at 5:45 in high school. Just nuts. I get up for my joby job as an executive at 7:15.

In general in the US I think high schools start and finish earliest, then middle schools, then elementary schools. The reason is purely practical- start times need to be staggered to allow schools to share buses, and having high school students get home first means they can look after their younger siblings until their parents get home from work.

Mine was:

Elementary school, 8am - 2pm

Middle school, 9am - 3 something (3:20pm, I think?)

High school, 7:40am - 2:55pm

Re: Refusing to teach kids math will not improve equity

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Post by dumpsterdiver »

slt2021 wrote: post #684
dumpsterdiver wrote: post #680

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nor can a child be raised without at least one parental type figure. There is no magic involved.

“Parental involvement” as a term is misleading because it assumes there are parents and you just need to start involving them ( like Asian tiger moms are super involved, now lets just make other parents befome as involved). More correct term would be “dysfunctional family”. Family where one parent is incarcerated, another is drug addict etc etc. This term more correctly describes situation that kid is alone in his ed…

You speak of parents who have landed themselves in prison and become addicted to drugs as if they have no responsibility for these things. "Parental involvement" will always be waiting right where they left it if ever those parents can manage to stop doing drugs or going to prison.

Re: Refusing to teach kids math will not improve equity

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Post by kiba »

vladgur wrote: post #590
kiba wrote: post #246

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However when public education is not guided by improving meaningful outcomes, but by ideologues, it needs to be checked. Vouchers sounds like a good way to insert some market dynamics and to allow parents to walk away from schools that are on the path to fail to prepare their kids for the future. As opposed to parental ideologues? By letting parents choose, we'll be letting them go to different schools championing di…

Ultimately, it is your right as a parent to decide what values you want your minor children to be taught. What is an alternative? Forbidding parents to pull their kids from schools that are ruining their future by following a system with historically worse outcomes? Most importantly, original articles here provide data that show that teaching math the way CA is trying to do has led to worse outcomes across the ethnic…

Ultimately, it is your right as a parent to decide what values you want your minor children to be taught.

So, we have the right to indoctrinate bullshit to children?

What is an alternative? Forbidding parents to pull their kids from schools that are ruining their future by following a system with historically worse outcomes?

We work by improving public schools. That's going to be easier said than done, but it's the right solution.

Re: Refusing to teach kids math will not improve equity

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Post by slt2021 »

dumpsterdiver wrote: post #686
slt2021 wrote: post #684

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Parental involvement” as a term is misleading because it assumes there are parents and you just need to start involving them ( like Asian tiger moms are super involved, now lets just make other parents befome as involved). More correct term would be “dysfunctional family”. Family where one parent is incarcerated, another is drug addict etc etc. This term more correctly describes situation that kid is alone in his ed…

You speak of parents who have landed themselves in prison and become addicted to drugs as if they have no responsibility for these things. "Parental involvement" will always be waiting right where they left it if ever those parents can manage to stop doing drugs or going to prison.

My problem with this term is it centers around parents, regardless of whether they are alive/free/sober/gainfully employed/mentally stable/etc.

But kids are going to school today and now, they cannot wait for their parents to get out of jail and get sober. These kids need solution asap and waiting for their parents to show up and get involved is a waste of time - and is a primary reason why US is failing kids from low SES and maintaining pipeline of people from hood to jail.

Re: Refusing to teach kids math will not improve equity

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Post by slt2021 »

petsfed wrote: post #656
slt2021 wrote: post #640

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there is relationship (as in one night stand) and there is lifelong relationship. There is fundamental conflict: 1. All people (especially young) want hook-ups due to hormones and stuff, as many as possible. These leads to pregnancies and kids. 2. Family requires you to limit your desires only to your partners and create lifelong commitment, which means responsibilities (not only for yourself, but for your partners a…

The birth rate (especially the teenage birth rate) has been dropping for the last 20 years. But sure, it's hookup culture that's causing single parent households, and not an evolution of how people of child-rearing age think about marriage, or that the changing shape of the economy means that marriage-as-a-mainly-financial-arrangement is dying a long-overdue death. It's definitely not that legalizing so-called no-fau…

Dropping birth rate is not a problem at all, Europe Scandinavia Australia has dropping birth rate but much better social situation.

The rest of your argument is incoherent and does not have a point, so I dont event understand what is it about.

Overpolicing is a myth, because cops are policing where crime actually happens. Doesnt make sense for police to patrol law abiding medium/high class neighborhoods if crime doesnt happen there. Police must be present where criminals live, this is actually the only correct approach

Re: Refusing to teach kids math will not improve equity

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Post by defrost »

slt2021 wrote: post #689
petsfed wrote: post #656

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The birth rate (especially the teenage birth rate) has been dropping for the last 20 years. But sure, it's hookup culture that's causing single parent households, and not an evolution of how people of child-rearing age think about marriage, or that the changing shape of the economy means that marriage-as-a-mainly-financial-arrangement is dying a long-overdue death. It's definitely not that legalizing so-called no-fau…

Dropping birth rate is not a problem at all, Europe Scandinavia Australia has dropping birth rate but much better social situation. The rest of your argument is incoherent and does not have a point, so I dont event understand what is it about. Overpolicing is a myth, because cops are policing where crime actually happens. Doesnt make sense for police to patrol law abiding medium/high class neighborhoods if crime does…

> cops are policing where crime actually happens.

Alternatively, crime happens where police are.

Eg. Police might excessively arrest in particular communities as a form of overbearing bullying .. and the arrest and conviction rates in these areas climb.

There is much written about this, your take in your comment above seems naive at best.

The world is rarely as first order simple as you appear to believe it to be.

Of interest (although admittedly not all that compelling as it's a small rich unicorn area)

Crime Rate Goes Down After Half A Cop Shop Quits

https://www.techdirt.com/2023/07/17/if-the-crime-rate-goes-d...

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