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Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by bluepod4 »

stickfigure wrote: post #666
jacquesm wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really couldn't care less. As far as I can see he was exactly what's wrong with people chasing money and forgetting about the possible consequences of their attitude towards other people's lives. I'm sure his relatives are grieving, but my sympathy goes to the family of the passengers first. As for the CEO's credentials: nature can't be fooled.

I don't know the guy, but this seems off the mark. If he wanted to get rich, spending 11 years on a money losing operation seems an unlikely choice. My take is that it was a passion project, a passion he shares with apparently a substantial number of well-to-do people. I don't judge.

Yeah, chasing “money” seems off the mark. Chasing “thrills” or “glory” seems closer.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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ghaff wrote: post #667
stronglikedan wrote: post #377

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's my understanding that in rescue missions where the targets don't pay with their lives, they end up paying monetarily afterwards.

In general, certainly at smaller scale (e.g. hikers who get lost/injured in winter), they're not charged in many places unless there was clear negligence. Which is mostly how you want it to be. You don't really want people to avoid search and rescue and just hope things work out because they're afraid of a big bill.

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Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by NotYourLawyer »

methodical wrote: post #315

Besides the "what about this other accident with 500 victims!!!", "these people are dumb", and the "look how they ignored safety!" comments, I can't help but be amazed at how events like this make people crawl out of the woodworks spouting complete falsities as if they're facts. I've seen so many boneheaded comments over the last few days that I don't even know how to list all of them out, from people saying that Tit…

>vaporized

I mean, that’s not what happens either.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by crossroadsguy »

ironcurtain wrote: post #682

A billionaire with surveillance tech manufacturing, French ex-military spook, and a wealthy Pakistani with British government connections. Possible foul play? Nope, not a chance. Everyone’s taking about a joystick.

Well, I would have believed in even a speck of conspiracy here (I love them unconditionally) but you know all of them entered that tiny thing on their own just like that. So unless they had nowhere to run and they rather decided to go and hide in the depths of ocean - there is nothing else. It's sad but there is no conspiracy here. Nope.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by brendamn »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #615
bilekas wrote: post #357

What really bothers me about the coverage of this, and I'm not totally anti media etc, was that nobody mentioned on the fact that the tracking system lost contact also. It was only mentioned that the communications was lost, if there had of been media mentioning that the tracking device also lost contact, I think a lot of people would have recognised straight await that it was a critical collapse. No deep gauge devic…

More than that, one report mentioned the US Navy notified the search teams that they heard an explosion Sunday night and used it to limit the search area. The US Navy has literally has experience detecting underwater explosions (see project Azorian). It's not guaranteed of course, but any loud sound near the point of contact loss seems pretty open shut. Imo, it made a more interesting story in a slow news cycle. How…

> How many people died in car accidents the last few days?

Car accidents (not involving anyone of note) sadly aren’t novel or newsworthy anymore. A submarine, with people potentially trapped onboard, with limited oxygen, as rescue teams race to the dive site, unfolding in real-time, isn’t exactly something that happens that often.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by totallywrong »

scotty79 wrote: post #416
ommpto wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Two months later, OceanGate faced similarly dire calls from more than three dozen people — industry leaders, deep-sea explorers and oceanographers — who warned in a letter to its chief executive, Stockton Rush, that the company’s “experimental” approach and its decision to forgo a traditional assessment could lead to potentially “catastrophic” problems with the Titanic mission." https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/20/us…

I don't understand why they didn't just drop it to the bottom of the ocean without people hundred times to see if it still holds. Who experiments with a crew in the age of remote control sensors and computers?

My thoughts exactly. How do pull a design out of your hat, against literally every expert's advice, and not test it a thousand times? It's insane.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by misiti3780 »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #615
bilekas wrote: post #357

What really bothers me about the coverage of this, and I'm not totally anti media etc, was that nobody mentioned on the fact that the tracking system lost contact also. It was only mentioned that the communications was lost, if there had of been media mentioning that the tracking device also lost contact, I think a lot of people would have recognised straight await that it was a critical collapse. No deep gauge devic…

More than that, one report mentioned the US Navy notified the search teams that they heard an explosion Sunday night and used it to limit the search area. The US Navy has literally has experience detecting underwater explosions (see project Azorian). It's not guaranteed of course, but any loud sound near the point of contact loss seems pretty open shut. Imo, it made a more interesting story in a slow news cycle. How…

on average 32K americans die a year which means 32000/365*4 = ~350 people in the US have died in car accidents since the media started talking about this. Sort of reminds me of this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfredo_Rampi

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by throwaway2037 »

_moof wrote: post #553
stronglikedan wrote: post #377

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's my understanding that in rescue missions where the targets don't pay with their lives, they end up paying monetarily afterwards.

Depends a great deal on who is doing the rescuing and whether the people rescued are considered negligent. Iceland's SAR team, for example, has gone back and forth on whether to charge people because when people believe they'll have to pay, they're less likely to call for help until the situation has gotten way worse and way more dangerous for the team.

The same would happen for the fire department. Can you imagine if an investigation blamed you for a house fire, then the fire department charged you for services? Many fewer people would call the fire department, and many more would die in house fires. People seem pretty casual here about wagging the finger. Just wait until they make an accidentally poor decision and need to be rescued.
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