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Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by smeagull »

krsdcbl wrote: post #630
gnicholas wrote: post #416

Losing 1M users is not good, but isn't the real question how many accounts they lost? > The move was linked to a fall in users of more than a million, two thirds of whom were using someone else’s password, according to Kantar’s research, which is based on surveys of household streaming habits. This makes it seem like they lost 333k customers. I don't know how many customers they have in Spain, but that sounds like a…

My thought exactly, did they lose _sessions_ or _customers_ here?

Whichever makes their PR release more impressive for their shareholders.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by the_af »

dmonitor wrote: post #652
cde-v wrote: post #635

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Also it has been profitable for years

As the copyright holders (not creators, mind you) realized the vast worth of their IP, licensing costs started to put the pressure on Netflix.

I'm sure that's true, but then we've found the actual problem! And it's not viewers sharing their accounts with their families.

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Post by Brendinooo »

inopinatus wrote: post #632
WheatMillington wrote: post #625

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Users need to accept that Netflix was never going to be profitable that way. We had a taste of that amount of content at that price, but it simply can't be economically done.

Consumers do not exist so that companies can be profitable, and are not required to accept anything of the sort. What a vampiric, corporate lickspittle point of view.

We're talking about video here, nobody owes anyone anything. It's not anything remotely close to a basic necessity.

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Post by aidenn0 »

justinclift wrote: post #440
jerf wrote: post #407

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"Holland seemed to focus more on developing fewer shows of higher quality content while Bajaria was more focused on "get all the content, throw it all at the wall and see what sticks" (who saw "Squid Games" coming?)." I think the root problem is that no studio anywhere is large enough to put out enough high-quality content to keep the people engaged continuously. Not even Disney. All the studios were looking over at…

One of my friends is a writer, and his take on the problem is that the seasoned writers Netflix used to have (a few years ago) are now all getting fairly "old". Aka around their 50's. So, they were let go, and a new generation of young, unseasoned writers has been doing the writing. But unlike previous generations though (heh), many of them are not even slightly interested in learning from the previous (seasoned) wri…

> No idea how accurate that is, but it seems like a reasonable take at first glance.

I mean that's what every generation of skilled workers has always said about the generation following them, so I'd take it with a grain of salt.

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Post by moffkalast »

ho_schi wrote: post #569

Netflix: ”You get two parallel streams with your family. Family means trust and password sharing.“ Customers: “Farewell pirating. We pay a fair flat and it is automatically shared between Netflix and artists. Great!“ Netflix: “We increase the flat permanently. And we have now competitors and doesn’t over anymore all relevant content (e.g. Star Trek Picard, Expanse, Disney). How about ruining it and blocking family me…

> I wouldn’t be surprised if artists (filmmakers, musicians…) create a common fair streaming platform.

I think they tried that with Nebula already, to some? success.

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Post by Lio »

pjc50 wrote: post #85
Varqu wrote: post #65

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It's interesting to see that free market competition actually worsened the customer offering when it comes to streaming services. Back in the days, Netflix was a one-to-see-all service and that was also one of the reasons why it took people from torrenting to paying for movies. Nowadays, if you want to watch a particular movie, you have maybe a 10% chance that it is available on the streaming service that you are cur…

As an old movie kind of guy: I don't get why nobody wants me to have a big economical catalogue of all the movies. If you want to watch stuff from before about 1990 your best bet is pirating it off Youtube, oddly. Or hoping it's part of the 20th Century Fox that ended up on Disney+. The most generous film studio is .. Mosfilm. I suppose it's fitting that the Communist movies are available for free. (Criterion looks p…

This is so very true. I've been listening to Quentin Tarantino and Roger Avary's excellent movie podcast, Video Archive[1].

Some of the films they review are either only available on YouTube[2] or on second hand VHS tapes.

1. https://videoarchivespodcast.com/

2. Until the someone helpfully gets them taken down. Cheers for that.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by smeagull »

kuu wrote: post #39
teruakohatu wrote: post #12

> The move was linked to a fall in users of more than a million, two thirds of whom were using someone else’s password > Subscription cancellations in the first quarter tripled compared to the previous period, according to Kantar’s research. Of all remaining Netflix subscribers in Spain, one-tenth said they planned to unsubscribe in the second quarter. So they lost 300,000 paying users whom they think will come back,…

> despite Netflix investing in Spanish content They are obligated by law to create this content See: https://www.innovationmcc.com/post/spain-will-now-protect-it... > "Towards the end of 2018, European Parliament approved a law that requires all platforms that provide audiovisual content throughout the continent to have at least 30% European productions within their programming." Edit: formatting

They could just restrict content libraries in Europe until they hit 30%

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by the_gipsy »

tough wrote: post #587
ramesh1994 wrote: post #585

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Was it for seeding/hosting torrents or from just downloading them? How long did the whole thing take to play out? I've always assumed that consuming torrents has been low stakes to the point where its not worth any enforcement

They go after the site operators if they can. In my case It was link sharing, no torrents, and at that time that didnt constitute -public publishing- as the link linked to some 3rd party host, and it was also user generated content. FWIW they've only won some fringe cases where they scared the person into accepting the charges. But Im not 15 anymore and wouldn't risk it tbh

Yea the key point is link sharing. Spanish torrent sites have been closed down on ISP level and sued on the grounds of profiting from ads.

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Post by kramerger »

Brendinooo wrote: post #683
inopinatus wrote: post #632

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Consumers do not exist so that companies can be profitable, and are not required to accept anything of the sort. What a vampiric, corporate lickspittle point of view.

We're talking about video here, nobody owes anyone anything. It's not anything remotely close to a basic necessity.

No, you don't owe me anything.

But if I stop buying your stuff maybe you will lower your prices and maybe stop investing in expensive stupid fantasy shows that everyone hates.

I mean, I don't owe it to you to buy your crap either. It's a two way street.

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Post by strunz »

afavour wrote: post #618
strunz wrote: post #611

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Because you can still watch something that is highly recommended? You think people only discuss shows that are week to week? Plenty of people won't even watch something unless they can binge at least a season.

It's definitely a thing. I remember when Lost first aired I had lengthy discussions every week with friends, I even logged into Lostpedia to browse, exchange theories etc. By comparison, the first Netflix show I remember really watching was House of Cards. Tried to have conversations with friends about it but inevitably you'd start with "oh, what episode are you on? Is that the one with the...? So you haven't seen...…

Of course that happens, but that doesn't mean people won't watch recommended shows that are already complete, especially younger people who only know this way.
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