Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

Post by rkho » Thu, Mar 30, 2023, 7:03 AM UTC

djha-skin wrote: post #401

withinboredom wrote: post #164

Maybe someone will scroll all the way down to this comment. Probably not. For half a decade, I have lived outside of the US, and I've watched as it has fallen to shit in slow motion. I make a decent chunk of income in USD and this terrifies me... but this. This move saddens me. There are only so many hours that congress has to make real decisions ... and this, this is what they spent their time on? Talking about how…

Really HN? The top voted comment is "this country has gone downhill"? This isn't Reddit. We're supposed to at least say something novel here, and hopefully interesting. How has the country gone downhill? Why is this decision so uninteresting? This comment also completely ignores the very interesting geopolitical aspects of this bill. On the surface it does look like something innocuous, as implied, which is why peopl…

Post by sph » Thu, Mar 30, 2023, 8:45 AM UTC

mywittyname wrote: post #151

sph wrote: post #134

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There is no honour in (economic) war. You don't win by holding the moral high ground. Sucks for us Westerners to see our Internet firewalled, but that's what happens when you're in a war, whatever its nature. Everybody pays for it.

This is not an effective war strategy though. The same influence American politicians swear the Chinese government has over Tiktok can easily be obtained through any number of social media companies. Moral high ground and fairness is the best strategy here. If it's illegal for all companies to capture this information, it makes enforcement easier and prevents foreign adversaries from merely infiltrating other compani…

Post by berniedurfee » Thu, Mar 30, 2023, 11:35 AM UTC

ramblenode wrote: post #563

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The data isn’t the risk, it’s more the ability for CCP to leverage influence. https://stratechery.com/2020/the-tiktok-war/ Dialing up things to cause unrest, dialing down stuff critical of the CCP. It’s not an issue about data, or even an issue about speech, it’s an issue of ownership of a media company by an adversary that will weaponize it against you. Who controls and owns media companies is a reasonable national…

This argument could make sense to me in a world where powerful corporations, PACs, and monied individuals didn't wield so much control over the media and politics. These domestic entities have far more influence than the CCP, and to the average American I don't think they are any less harmful. These entities profit from disunity and a chaotic government the same way a foreign adversary might. The current divisiveness…

Post by stametseater » Thu, Mar 30, 2023, 12:36 PM UTC

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> "Only if you think the Chinese goverment is right" Germany dropped bombs on the UK. The UK responded by dropping bombs on Germany. By responding in kind, was the UK therefore asserting that Germany was 'right' to drop bombs on the UK?

You're taking my statement out of context. I was refuting the claim that China's restrictive social media policy is a justification for a similar US policy. If the UK justified their actions solely on the basis that because the Germans did it it must be ok that'd be unreasonable. (This isn't the right forum to get into it, but the ethics of civilian saturation bombings are much more complicated and I'm not saying eit…

Post by rayiner » Thu, Mar 30, 2023, 1:36 PM UTC

withinboredom wrote: post #679

rayiner wrote: post #574

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I’m asking in general terms what OP thinks causes school shootings.

Kids getting pissed off and anyone able to walk into a store and buy a gun, without knowing how to use it or store it properly… but that’s just a guess.