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Re: Dropping the SAT requirement is a luxury belief

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Post by doetoe » Sat, Mar 11, 2023, 11:23 PM UTC

tomcam wrote: post #674

doetoe wrote: post #670

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Discrimination against lower castes is very real. There are quota to somewhat compensate for this. Maybe you interpreted it as there being quota for each caste?

Trying to understand, not interpret. Is there law allowing discrimination against lower cases? Or is there law allowing reverse discrimination to redress previous discrimination?

Sorry, I hadn't seen your message. There is a law prohibiting caste-based discrimination. For university admissions there are also quota for low caste, casteless and tribal people, meaning that a certain percentage of places is reserved only for students belonging to those groups

Re: Dropping the SAT requirement is a luxury belief

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Post by tomcam » Sun, Mar 12, 2023, 7:30 AM UTC

doetoe wrote: post #681

tomcam wrote: post #674

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trying to understand, not interpret. Is there law allowing discrimination against lower cases? Or is there law allowing reverse discrimination to redress previous discrimination?

Sorry, I hadn't seen your message. There is a law prohibiting caste-based discrimination. For university admissions there are also quota for low caste, casteless and tribal people, meaning that a certain percentage of places is reserved only for students belonging to those groups

Thanks. That matches what I had expected.

Re: Dropping the SAT requirement is a luxury belief

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Post by jlawson » Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 4:08 PM UTC

btilly wrote: post #519

jlawson wrote: post #431

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>The scientific truth is that we have no data either way that can even begin to address whether one group is innately better than any other. The reason being that we have no way to separate out the impact of racism and history from innate ability. I'm sorry but this is blatantly false. "Innately better" is a vague and inflammatory term, but if you define the measure, we can use straightforward statistical techniques…

Separating out confounders is easier said than done. When you look at the performance of black people raised in white families they are still exposed to media, teachers, and peers who have expectations of them based on appearance. Even with that population, racism remains a confounder. Likewise while you can look at historical Jews as a poor population with high IQ, you have the confounder that even then Jews placed…

You won't find a single statistic whose difference can be clearly attributed to cultural rather than some genetic factor either.

This is an isolated demand for proof. At the level of proof you're demanding, basically nothing can be said about anything in terms of social science one way or the other. There are basically never 'single statistics' that are isolated from all alternative explanation.

Instead, one should apply the same standards and skepticism to all hypotheses. In this case, both for and against genetic/cultural explanations.

(Even so, "you won't find a single statistic whose difference can be clearly attributed to genetics rather than some cultural factor" is untrue; differences in athletic performance satisfy this demand.)

Re: Dropping the SAT requirement is a luxury belief

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Post by known » Tue, Mar 14, 2023, 5:47 AM UTC

tomcam wrote: post #674

doetoe wrote: post #670

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Discrimination against lower castes is very real. There are quota to somewhat compensate for this. Maybe you interpreted it as there being quota for each caste?

Trying to understand, not interpret. Is there law allowing discrimination against lower cases? Or is there law allowing reverse discrimination to redress previous discrimination?

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