New video of Tesla crash demonstrates the problem of semi-automated driving

Post by throwaway892238 » Fri, Jan 13, 2023, 4:35 AM UTC

sangnoir wrote: post #297

throwaway892238 wrote: post #200

I'm still waiting for autonomous-only lanes. For extremely long and boring highways (usually full of trucks), this just seems like the logical conclusion of all self-driving tech to me. Dedicate one lane to self-driving, have the vehicles all on autonomous mode, and have them keep enough distance so their braking performance prevents them from crashing in an unexpected stop. You should be able to literally just sleep…

> I'm still waiting for autonomous-only lanes. Lanes are really expensive, it's unreasobable to have an autonomous-only lane, so a shared lane is base. I propose that vehicles in autonomous node be restricted to the slow(est) lane, where it's safer to come to a sudden stop, and the driver, manufacturer and insurer have to contend with the probability of being flattened by an 18-wheeler.

Post by sfmike » Fri, Jan 13, 2023, 5:46 AM UTC

soraminazuki wrote: post #567

sfmike wrote: post #246

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In Tokyo at least in the proper city it's easy to feel you're fine with just JR + subways.

It is possible to move around Tokyo without cars to some extent, but there are still far more roads than there are railways. It’s nowhere near being a car-free zone, and many people who don’t drive would still need buses or taxis to get to the train station.

Post by watwut » Fri, Jan 13, 2023, 6:49 AM UTC

moduspol wrote: post #540

watwut wrote: post #357

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> Delaying self-driving cars by one year comes at a cost of up to 1.35 million human lives [1]. That doesn't excuse failures like these, but the context should be understood. Citation needed. There is nothing so far proving that self driving cars currently have less crashes then humans in comparable conditions. And they disengage in difficult conditions when most crashes happen. Dont just start with assumption "self…

> Dont just start with assumption "self driving is currently safer" and then go on blame people for not trusting it. My claim doesn't depend on that assumption. My claim depends on it being the case someday. If the US tightens regulations on ADAS today, and that results in the day self-driving cars fully replace human-driven ones being 11 years away instead of 10, it has been delayed one year, at a cost of up to 1.35…

Post by BuckyBeaver » Fri, Jan 13, 2023, 12:08 PM UTC

amelius wrote: post #622

BuckyBeaver wrote: post #434

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The video does indeed show that this happened. The driver's account, as quoted here, doesn't even make sense. In the first sentence it says he was driving along in lane 1, the car slowed, and he "felt an impact." The next part is contradictory, citing a different lane (2), a different cruising speed, and then a lane change... and no impact. WTH?

Are you surprised you can be guilty of an accident when you have not hit anyone?

Post by throwaway894345 » Fri, Jan 13, 2023, 2:05 PM UTC

mschuster91 wrote: post #628

throwaway894345 wrote: post #600

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Those things improve safety, and we should certainly do them, but that’s likely not enough to bring all modes of transit into parity with regard to safety.

We can get near parity though - in the end it's probably a classic pareto distribution problem. The last 20% of traffic fatalities will be really hard, I agree, but we can reduce the utter majority of traffic accidents very very easily.