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Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by shuckles »

dzikimarian wrote: post #494
shuckles wrote: post #466

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It is odd to me that there are people who eagerly agree that Apple can coerce users into configurations they don't want for lack of better options yet also believe that no other company could make them do that w.r.t. being forced to download alternative app stores, spyware, bloatware, and more. Do you really think the average user won't end up being compelled to download garbage software if it's possible?

On Android, which globally is bigger than iOS, it didn't happen. It's exactly the discussed setup - you can install alternative store, there's just a bit of friction to do that.

This is totally false. When I used Android, finding a phone maker and carrier who sold “pure” or “stock” Android without pre-installed garbage was the first step to buying a phone!

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by rosnd »

bigfudge wrote: post #474
surajrmal wrote: post #308

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What you are referring to isn't Linux. It's Linux + a free desktop compliant userspace. Linux is just a kernel which is in fact shared between both. I'm not sure why the community hasn't come up with a better name to help disambiguate the two.

People talk about the Linux kernel vs linux (the complete system). I’m not sure why nerds are still litigating this sort of thing years after the who gnu linux thing.

> linux (the complete system)

Like Android?

>I’m not sure why nerds are still litigating this sort of thing years after the who gnu linux thing.

Because most Linux users are no longer interacting with GNU/Linux.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by notpushkin »

bayindirh wrote: post #621
blangk wrote: post #616

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True, but Google's own implementation of Android in the Pixel does allow you to re sign the bootloader so you can install your own OS and securely boot to it. And "Android" isn't all the same. It's a broad and shared ecosystem.

However, doing this and using a custom ROM will flat out disable SIM services menu and related functionality, which I need for my embedded e-Signature in my SIM card. Also, we have a gatekeeper called Google Play Services. In other words, even if you have a custom ROM, you need that all-encompassing framework to have nice things. Clients may differ, but the cloud platform and the connector which enables all these "An…

Or you could have the open source microG and miss out only on Google Pay (and some bank apps that wanna validate SafetyNet for some reason). If you disable FCM / push notification support, your phone won't even need to interact with Google servers at all.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by thewataccount »

foobarbaz33 wrote: post #656
bayindirh wrote: post #427

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I understand where you are coming from, and support you on that. On the other hand, I'm pretty happy with the default state of an iPhone. It just manages itself, and all that hard problems (backups, updates, ease of use, experience homogenity, etc.) are solved. I manage more than enough servers at work, and I don't want to manage another server in my pocket, do nitty-gritty settings, allow selected apps background ac…

> Android is not Linux It most certainly is linux. You probably mean it's not a GNU operating system.

> You probably mean it's not a GNU operating system.

He more likely means you don't manage it as a linux system.

A lot of linux systems don't use GNU, especially embedded ones, or containers. Busybox is very common. But you don't really treat these systems any differently from GNU/linux other than some relatively mundane command differences.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by anonymous_sorry »

rosnd wrote: post #668
anonymous_sorry wrote: post #508

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This disagreement is purely about semantics. In case its not clear, Linux the operating system typically means the Linux kernel plus a set of unix-inspired GPL-licenced userspace tools. Some (still) call this GNU/Linux, although that is a bit of a mouthful. Android has a completely different userspace to "Linux". The kernel is not the issue.

Well that's silly, the userspace you are talking about is strictly useless on phones. Every single attempt at building a reasonable mobile userspace for GNU/Linux has been a complete failure. What would that even look like? Almost all graphical GNU/Linux tools depend on X11, which is completely unsuited for phones. But if you want, you can totally install all the GNU userspace tools on Android. Nothing is stopping yo…

Nevertheless, there is something people call "Linux" that is a full OS (rather than just a kernel). Android differs substantially from that.

Just semantics.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by JanSt »

dalbasal wrote: post #679

Kettle. Pot. Black. Monopolistic practices is what Spotify is, not just something it does. Recently they went about buying podcasts. The idea was/is to kill off the free protocol and centralise podcasts under their control... That way, listeners, advertisers and podcasters would all have to live by spotify's rules. Like streaming music. Sure. Apple give themselves every advantage, cream the market, etc. They have a m…

I feel like Apple is a much stronger offender than Spotify. You can literally not use billions of devices on this planet for your app* if you don't send something like a 25-50% cut of all your possible profits (15-30% of revenue(!)) to them. That makes apple effectively (in monetary terms) an owner of many businesses they shouldn't own.

* no, not any application can run fine in safari

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by tejohnso »

donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

> I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist.

Yes. And it's easy to think that for a single issue like this it's a minor problem. Just don't buy Apple products. But there's a larger issue.

> in 10 years we’ll all have cars with a half dozen subscriptions forced on us

Right. I want to opt out of that. I also want to opt out of the corporate oversight of my property or tools in general. And while we're at it, I want to opt out of the inflationary debt driven monetary policy. And I want to opt out of vehicle-centric neighbourhood planning. Also proxy wars propagated by my government. The list goes on. And there's a burden to all of this that I'm not sure how to deal with. Happily embrace the illusion of choice, I guess? I don't use Apple products, never have.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by yobbo »

dalbasal wrote: post #679

Kettle. Pot. Black. Monopolistic practices is what Spotify is, not just something it does. Recently they went about buying podcasts. The idea was/is to kill off the free protocol and centralise podcasts under their control... That way, listeners, advertisers and podcasters would all have to live by spotify's rules. Like streaming music. Sure. Apple give themselves every advantage, cream the market, etc. They have a m…

It's not technically a monopoly, but in so far as it might become one, it is someone else's responsibility to tweet and complain about it.

And there is a difference in scale between Apple's control and everyone else's.

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