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Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Strong tangent here, but y'all vegetarians in the Bay Area ought try Dad's Luncheonette in Half Moon Bay for their mushroom sandwich, a vegetarian's alternative to the hamburger sandwich.

I got no affiliation with Dad's aside from thinking that they make a couple of fine sandwiches, and the mushroom sandwich is a great example of a vegetarian hamburger "alternative" that doesn't try to be a hamburger but tastes real good.

I'm omnivorous but like that mushroom sandwich sometimes (and the hamburger sandwich they sell is probably the best sandwich in the state, so that's saying something).

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

#683
I regularly buy and eat Beyond Sausage. Not a fan of their other products due to texture/taste. Just like with other food companies, I like some products, dislike others.

Nobody should be treating food stocks like growth stocks imo. Food doesn't scale that way and the margins aren't great.

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

#684

Good! Intellectual dishonesty and self-deception of all kinds is wrong and weak, and it should be stopped. Fake meat is just as dumb as those CVT transmissions that have fake shift points, or setting your watch 10 minutes ahead so you will never be late. If you think eating meat is wrong, then stop doing it. It's a defensible moral position. But don't try to trick yourself into thinking you are still doing it -- inst…

They are not targeted for vegans, the huge majority of customer are curious people that wants to transition into vegetarian/vegan diet and need the help of plant based meats.

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

#685

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> sodium content is as bad or worse than just plain regular beef Hasn't the dietary sodium thing been found to be a non-issue, except for a few individuals with high blood pressure? https://www.cochrane.org/CD004022/HTN_effect-low-salt-diet-b...

High sodium diets are "associated with chronic degenerative diseases including renal diseases" "in a hypertension-independent manner". They are associated, among many other ailments, with strokes, cancer and heart failure. https://www.heart.org/en/healthy-living/healthy-eating/eat-s... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32738302/

Thanks for the input. Not sure to what extent the links support the assertion > "associated with chronic degenerative diseases including renal diseases" "in a hypertension-independent manner"

> https://www.heart.org/en/healthy-living/healthy-eating/eat-s... Excess levels of sodium/salt *may* put you at risk for: Excess levels of sodium/salt *may* cause increased water retention that leads to: (my emphasis)

> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32738302/ "Some studies have shown that HSD has a positive correlation with albuminuria, an important risk factor for the development and progression of kidney disease in a hypertension-independent manner "

A correlation with a risk factor .It asserts "is associated with chronic degenerative diseases including renal diseases" with no citation. The paper itself is about feeding a high-salt diet to mice.

I'll see your citations, and raise you:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33351135/ Sodium intake, life expectancy, and all-cause mortality

"Our observation of sodium intake correlating positively with life expectancy and inversely with all-cause mortality worldwide and in high-income countries argues against dietary sodium intake being a culprit of curtailing life span or a risk factor for premature death. These data are observational and should not be used as a base for nutritional interventions".

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

#686
I don't think demand for Beyond will ever hit zero but I do think recent demand seems to have been temporary & can see it falling into a niche.

In the past, vegetarianism/veganism was mostly the reserve of activist types, dogmatic in their approach, with little interest in fake meats (though they existed, demand & competition was low enough for them to be pretty poor substitutes).

Then, more recently, there was a big trend of vegetarianism becoming more mainstream, with many people trialling it: during that trial, there's naturally a lot of reliance on products like Beyond. Similarly, with the mainstreaming of it all, many old-timer vegetarians become more comfortable/open with liking/trying meaty things & also as the product quality/variety improves, many old-timer vegetarians will be naturally curious excited to test new options. So this all results in big spikes in demand for Beyond.

Now I think we're entering a phase of (a) long-term dedicated vegetarians have tried it out & the novelty has disappeared and (b) "trial" vegetarians are settling into a "flexitarian" / low-meat diet, where they just eat real meat when they want to, but do their best to reduce consumption. So the demand drops.

There's still going to be the odd "trial" vegetarian who likes meat but stayed strict & there's probably some old-timers who developed a taste for it, but it's a much lower % of people than at the peak of novel interest.

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There's also a few notable exceptions where new substitutes have succeeded in gaining a culturally iconic status - e.g. the Greggs sausages in the UK. These will probably retain some popularity I guess, but they're very much the exception.

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

#687

Beyond Meat is a lot worse than Impossible Burger. They're losing to someone in their same vertical who has a superior product. Unless you are a strict vegan, in which case, you can't eat Impossible Burgers. [0] [0]: https://oopsvegan.com/en/blog/is-the-impossible-burger-vegan

That article is trash, so I'll save future readers a click:

> soy heme had to undergo animal testing

That's it. You have to be that strict a vegan to think it doesn't count.

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

#688

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Yes that's what they're designed to do. Make you "feel" like you can contribute to meaningful solution not by pressuring large industrial polluters to do something but rather just make minor changes in your personal consumption habits.

I'm not sure why you're putting "feel" in quotes, voting with your pocketbook is a legitimate way of signalling to large industrial polluters to do something, right?

Because it is a gimmick to make you feel like you're doing something, for the sole purpose of getting money from your pocket into theirs. You're not doing anything. The dr. feelgood insect and vegetarian "meat" products are heavily processed, requiring extra energy, fuel, and manpower.

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

#689

I married a Vegetarian and I converted to a mostly Vegetarian diet myself and I have made a very real realisation over the last 10 years: The one group that really hates Vegans more than meat eaters are Vegetarians. Veganism is making being Vegetarian increasingly harder. It's so hard to find a Vegetarian pizza nowadays with real cheese. It's either meaty or fully Vegan. Same for burgers. Vegetarians don't want to ea…

I've been vegetarian for a couple decades and have no problem with vegans.

I don't think I've ever been to a pizza place that didn't just let me choose a vegetarian pizza with real cheese. I also love Beyond Meat, but most veggieburgers I ate prior to Beyond Meat were vegan too, though few places used cheese or egg. You can make a vegan black bean burger, or a great vegan portobello. Veganism isn't what converted places to Beyond.

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Assuming you can afford to eat meat Last I checked, Beyond Burgers cost almost 50% more pr lbs than the cheapest bulk ground beef in the store. If that changed then there might be a market.

Around here (Cambridge, MA) when it's on sale, maybe it's only 50% higher than ground beef's regular price. It's normally 250% the price of ground beef, with Impossible being even slightly higher priced.

That's the gag with Impossible. Unless you or your parents are owners of a climate non-profit flush with cash, their products are impossible to afford.
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