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Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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I'd be pissed off if I were a TSLA stock owner. Is Twitter paying Tesla to contract out these employees for their work? Otherwise, it's tons of thousands of dollars Tesla is pissing away on behalf of the CEO's side-hustle.

Love him or hate him, without Musk Tesla would have been dead in the water as a company and its shares would have been worthless by now. Those stock owners knew what they did when they got into TSLA.

Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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Musk has extraordinary capability of extracting every bit of potential a person can deliver. Either you work crazy at your 200% or you are worthless and the company is not for you. Twitter will see lots of layoffs, massive restructuring - some unknown people being promoted for top roles, but end result will be better financial. I am not sure Twitter will remain the same as it is. Lots of people think Elon is not good…

>Musk has extraordinary capability of extracting every bit of potential a person can deliver. Either you work crazy at your 200% or you are worthless and the company is not for you. You are simply paraphrasing exploitation. >but if you see most of his businesses, his expertise is dealing with governments, contracts and policies makers Looks more like brute force and public shaming to me.

I've been thinking about this a lot lately while reading books about leadership

I don't know much about Musk or his companies, but I do know that a single person or a small team can often outperform hundreds of people at a big company. I wonder if he's tapped into that somehow in this case

If you're doing something you love with a great team that takes care of you, you can easily work 2x as hard for no extra money without being exploited or putting in more than 8-10 hours a day. People spend a lot of time chatting online on the toilet, aimlessly surfing the web, etc at work

I'll say that I haven't been impressed at all with Tesla, FWIW. Tons of small annoyances with their cars that you'd never get with a comparably priced luxury vehicle elsewhere.

Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'd be trying to figure out how to maximize my severance package... How would one go about doing that? Is there a way to have influence on that?

i don't know, but quit vs fire probably makes a difference.

Quit vs fire vs layoff is the strategy of deciding to have a severance or not having one.

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Exactly, more code isn't better

Not only that, less code is better. The elegant and performant solution is the simple one, for example wireguard vs openvpn.

Nope. Less code is not always better. Collapsing a loop into a single line lambda with single char variables doing 5 times is not elegant or better. It’s orders of magnitude worse.

Less code is more readable. But absolute minimal amount of code can be unreadable.

Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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post #65

I'd be pissed off if I were a TSLA stock owner. Is Twitter paying Tesla to contract out these employees for their work? Otherwise, it's tons of thousands of dollars Tesla is pissing away on behalf of the CEO's side-hustle.

Love him or hate him, without Musk Tesla would have been dead in the water as a company and its shares would have been worthless by now. Those stock owners knew what they did when they got into TSLA.

> without Musk Tesla would have been dead in the water as a company and its shares would have been worthless by now

I don't know how you could possibly know that, that's an unfalsifiable claim.

I could make the opposite claim (that with a different CEO, Tesla would be worth ten times as much as it is now) and you couldn't disprove it.

Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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I don't at all object to code reviews/evaluation, but the thing I wonder about is this: I rarely open an empty file and write some big block of code. 98% of the time I'm fixing bugs in legacy code or shimming in some new feature. It would be trivial to produce the diffs I generated in the past 30 or 60 days, but the volume of code isn't really a great metric for my productivity. There may be some three line change th…

I 100% object to code reviews in this way. If you have dignity as a developer you’d quit swiftly.

Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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A great attempt to dodge vesting schedules and escape doling out severance. Even if they convince many engineers to quit willingly, one presumes that the next step is rounds of layoffs with cause . California is at-will, but notoriously anal regarding mass-layoffs. My serious question is, regardless of with or without cause, surely some employment attorneys are licking their lips at the stack of prospective cases the…

Twitter is a private company now. There are no more stocks to vest, so the idea that this is to dodge vesting schedules doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

This doesn't make sense. There are certainly options and stock to vest; every pre-IPO startup employee in the world knows about the four-year vesting schedule.

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If someone completely new to my codebase came along and tried to evaluate my code I'd laugh. You can't jump in and "evaluate" without knowing context and being familiar with the features.

Eh, if you're competent, then sure. But some people have obvious code smells. You'd be surprised. A quick glance and it's obvious they're not competent. 6 layers of inheritance. Composition loops everywhere (A is in B, B is in A, A and B are in C, C are in A and b).

Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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I don't at all object to code reviews/evaluation, but the thing I wonder about is this: I rarely open an empty file and write some big block of code. 98% of the time I'm fixing bugs in legacy code or shimming in some new feature. It would be trivial to produce the diffs I generated in the past 30 or 60 days, but the volume of code isn't really a great metric for my productivity. There may be some three line change th…

I 100% object to code reviews in this way. If you have dignity as a developer you’d quit swiftly.

My advice to someone earlier in their career would not be to quit, but to make them pay you while you look for your next job if the writing is already on the wall.

Re: Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff’s code, workers said

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post #65

I'd be pissed off if I were a TSLA stock owner. Is Twitter paying Tesla to contract out these employees for their work? Otherwise, it's tons of thousands of dollars Tesla is pissing away on behalf of the CEO's side-hustle.

Love him or hate him, without Musk Tesla would have been dead in the water as a company and its shares would have been worthless by now. Those stock owners knew what they did when they got into TSLA.

I don't think there's any doubt that Musk has grown Tesla significantly and had a very positive impact on the share price, but that's something he did in the past. You can't just accept everything he does in the future because of past wins. Tesla shareholders don't owe him anything. He's there to do a job, and if he's not doing it well then they should complain.

There's a lesson here for all of us. If you think you're safe in your role because of some good work you did in the past you are wrong. You were paid for that work. It's gone now. Hopefully your employer recognises your ability and talent and believes you'll do good work again, but of they believe it was luck, or that you're now too old and stuck in your ways then your previous victories won't help you at all.

What happened in the past is a sunk cost. Using it as a basis for future decisions while ignoring the present is a terrible, terrible way to move forwards.

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