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Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by HyperSane »

tim333 wrote: post #680
HyperSane wrote: post #675

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How can anyone tolerate being a "subject" instead of a citizen? How can you obsequiously sing "God save the Queen\King" as your national anthem? It is just shameful.

I've never been called a british subject to my knowledge. Googling has "Until 1949, nearly everyone with a close connection to the United Kingdom was called a ‘British subject’".."Since 1983, very few people have qualified as British subjects." The god save the queen stuff is kind of traditional and doesn't mean much. "God save the queen / The fascist regime..." (Sex Pistols) is also kind of traditional and quite pop…

"The god save the queen stuff is kind of traditional and doesn't mean much"

Having such an incredibly obsequious national anthem focused on a single person means a great deal to me.

"A lot of non UK folk seem to have some strange ideas about how it works here. The royals haven't had much power for centuries."

I understand this, but what baffles and disgusts me is that you act like they still do and are better than you. It just makes my skin crawl.

The fact that people as scummy and Prince Andrew are considered to be Royalty makes this all the worse.

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by lucb1e »

throwaway932489 wrote: post #239
lucb1e wrote: post #167

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It's a bit different when an unholy amount of people show up for it, compared to some regular 'a funeral'

Can't tell which side you're on based on this comment... is the number of potentially offended people greater and so it's a worse crime or is it more of a public event where the public should be entitled to express themselves? While this isn't at all objective, my feelings on it all started to change when the BBC begun sneaking in pure praise for Charles/monarchy without any balance, having softened us up with the sa…

> Can't tell which side you're on based on this comment

I'm sorry, I didn't realize I needed to pick a side first.

I have no involvement, don't know the facts, haven't followed the discussion. From this thread, I gathered that people are being obnoxious and so they whipped out an ancient law to round them up for. Is selective enforcement good? Probably not. Is it good to stop people from being obnoxious at any funeral? Generally yes. Is the situation GP was posing comparable (random funeral vs. the queen's funeral)? No. Is royalty good? I don't know, I've heard pros (stable face of a country, for foreign relations, without the same person always being in power) and cons (costs).

I'd rather argue about merit and facts than "sides" you're on

...but probably that doesn't fit in a comment anyone is going to read and upvote, so alas.

Sometimes I toy with the idea of having difficult discussions (best example might be nuclear fission energy) in the form of a wiki, where the contents embody the current best known facts, with conclusions logically following from facts. When you change a fact, it cascades and the "thus"es are marked as needing an update. If you don't care for the whole discussion, you can just read the conclusion and find a "because" that you think is wrong somewhere and argue about that. But then, who'd find that enjoyable?

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by phpthrowaway99 »

NonNefarious wrote: post #671
NonNefarious wrote: post #545

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Uh-oh, some anti-literacy infants have modded me down. Up with ignorance, right?

Make sure you come back to mod this down too, crybaby.

FYI, it wasn't me even once. I actually appreciated the note because the distinction never crossed my radar even once. Plus I'm technically ESL so why not learn.

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by jlokier »

WickyNilliams wrote: post #557
jlokier wrote: post #271

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> Like the fella who stated that ‘we didn’t vote for him’ In fairness, we didn't vote for the Prime Minister either. Where was this fella when we needed him in parliament? I think UK democracy has a much bigger democratic problem than whether there is a symbolic monarch. Unlike the monarch, the Prime Minister we didn't vote for is a political activist with serious power and a nasty agenda - including the agenda to re…

> Where was this fella when we needed him in parliament? There's no obligation to protest everything you disagree with, why would you suggest there is? Furthermore, how do you know they _didnt_ protest the PM? The PM may not have been voted for, but a crucial difference is, unlike the monarchy, the position of PM is not handed down by hereditary lineage. > including the agenda to reduce freedom to protest and other b…

> You chastise someone for protesting

No I didn't, someone else did. HN is not one person posting under hundreds of usernames :-)

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by NonNefarious »

phpthrowaway99 wrote: post #683
NonNefarious wrote: post #671

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Make sure you come back to mod this down too, crybaby.

FYI, it wasn't me even once. I actually appreciated the note because the distinction never crossed my radar even once. Plus I'm technically ESL so why not learn.

Thank you. That's the problem with butt-hurt crybabies who reject LEARNING. And I was polite, and I agreed with the sentiment! What kind of asshole rejects THAT?

People's excuse for being lazy illiterates online is, "FU grammer nazi its only online so hu carez"

EVERYONE should care. People learn by READING. And where does most reading take place now, sadly? ONLINE. So people propagating ignorance and lashing out against those who promote literacy ARE the problem.

It's sad to see that on a site like this. It indicates decline.

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by babypuncher »

tastyfreeze wrote: post #74
babypuncher wrote: post #29

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I think it's fair to make certain events, like funerals, off-limits to protest. Freedom of speech does not mean you are free to say anything you want wherever you want. I can't just walk into the Oval Office and start hurling obscenities at the President, and attempting to do so is likely to get me shot by the Secret Service.

You can hurl all the obscenities you like at the President. You might be removed from the property but you won't be shot.

I think forcing your way into the Oval Office uninvited is a pretty easy way to get shot.

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by tim333 »

HyperSane wrote: post #681
tim333 wrote: post #680

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never been called a british subject to my knowledge. Googling has "Until 1949, nearly everyone with a close connection to the United Kingdom was called a ‘British subject’".."Since 1983, very few people have qualified as British subjects." The god save the queen stuff is kind of traditional and doesn't mean much. "God save the queen / The fascist regime..." (Sex Pistols) is also kind of traditional and quite pop…

"The god save the queen stuff is kind of traditional and doesn't mean much" Having such an incredibly obsequious national anthem focused on a single person means a great deal to me. "A lot of non UK folk seem to have some strange ideas about how it works here. The royals haven't had much power for centuries." I understand this, but what baffles and disgusts me is that you act like they still do and are better than yo…

Dunno - it's not so different from American celebs - Kardashians and that. Not my thing but I don't really mind if people are into that stuff.

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by petre »

scoot wrote: post #654
petre wrote: post #443

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If the Scottish independence referendum was called for today, after Brexit, Boris Johnson and the Queen's passing away, it would probably have an entirelly different outcome.

Wait, what? Boris Johnson passed away? I know The Queen's death is overshadowing a lot of other news, but I'm surprised I hadn't heard.

No, he just partied during Prince Philip's funeral, while everyone else was either in lockdown or mourning. Maybe he's patrying now, just as the late Queen is touring England.

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by HyperSane »

tim333 wrote: post #687
HyperSane wrote: post #681

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The god save the queen stuff is kind of traditional and doesn't mean much" Having such an incredibly obsequious national anthem focused on a single person means a great deal to me. "A lot of non UK folk seem to have some strange ideas about how it works here. The royals haven't had much power for centuries." I understand this, but what baffles and disgusts me is that you act like they still do and are better than yo…

Dunno - it's not so different from American celebs - Kardashians and that. Not my thing but I don't really mind if people are into that stuff.

"it's not so different from American celebs - Kardashians and that"

It is completely different. It is far more sycophantic and servile.

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by Handytinge »

morelisp wrote: post #616
brutusborn wrote: post #610

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The UK Monarch has real power, but not absolute power. From wikipedia: "The royal prerogative includes the powers to appoint and dismiss ministers, regulate the civil service, issue passports, declare war, make peace, direct the actions of the military, and negotiate and ratify treaties, alliances, and international agreements." This isn't as black and white as you are proposing, there is nuance.

I didn't say absolute power. But for example, in the comment immediately below this one, I currently read > it's not like the king of england has any real power This is a widely-held belief.

But it's not "real power", it's theoretical power.

The crown rarely if ever exerts such powers, and on that rare occasion it does so on the advice of the parliment.

Technically such a power exists, but calling it "real" is silly.

Look at the countries of the Commonwealth. The crown appoints a governor general based on the recommendation of the prime minister. This person acts in a ceremonial capacity, and on behalf of the crown. The handful of times a GG has actually acted have been within the interests of the country, have had little to no input from the crown, and are decades apart.

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