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The Big [Censored] Theory

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I have a question for someone very interested in freedom of speech and censorship. We know that geopolitical adversaries weaponize narratives to cause destabilization of the body politic of other nations. We know that the internet and social media have exploded in popularity in the last 20 years, giving 'foreign actors' unprecedented access to citizens. What should a government of a 'free' nation do to counter that d…

Well, I'm very interested in Free Speech and the immorality of censorship, so I will take this.

First, I will point out that almost no government, ever and everywhere, isn't full to the core with corruption and lying, like a decaying and rotten fruit left for weeks in a garbage dump.

Some Westerners are deluded with the strange thought that it somehow makes a difference that those who are bamboozling them do it through convoluted interlocking systems of protocols and processes, commonly called Democracy, and not through brute force or other such barbarous means.

From a dispassionate analysis of raw results, however, considering just the outside blackbox behaviour of a country without reference to its internal algorithms and data structures, almost every single thing China or Russia can do to a citizen, USA and Canada and UK And Germany can (and does), just maybe not as frequently and not as publicly (yet).

This rather large caveat\objection aside, I will take the question at face value : what can a (supposedly benevolent) government do in the face of outside propaganda? A lot.

First, propaganda is easy, especially when you're a government. If a foreign country is paying X to propagandize your citizens, you can afford to pay 10X, discounted by all the natural advantages you have when you're propagandizing your own citizens (same language and culture, official capacity to make and enforce laws, privileged position when dealing with media outlets, etc..., you literally rule). Indeed, for the same reason that religions always need a devil and revolutions always need enemies, the foreign propaganda might be a boon to you, a thing to rally against in your own propaganda, food for your propaganda artists.

Second, talk is cheap, and the vast majority of people would rather rage than do anything in real life. So, let propaganda fester, like a harmless fever. This an unfortunate effect of large human populations, known at the smaller scales as the bystander effect. In essence, everybody just says "not my problem" and just keeps shouting (if they do even that), hoping for someone else to actually do something, but everybody is thinking like that so nothing really gets done. This is bad for the people, but it's good for governments, it means most Free Speech is harmless. (which is bad news for any serious Free Speech advocate, because the goal isn't Free Speech in and of itself, but Free Expression, which starts with Free Speech but must end with Free Action. But again, this is all normative land, in actual material fact, most Free Speech is pure thunder without lightning or rain, and nobody loses anything by allowing it unless what they're hiding is truly egregious.)

Finally, returning to the first caveat again, maybe just fuck you, the government? Maybe the foreign government is actually correct and the citizens should revolt and create unrest and become ungovernable till their demands are met?

In summary, don't worry about the poor little governments, they can manage very well, with all the monopoly on violence and money printing and whatnot.

Re: The Big [Censored] Theory

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post #329

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Even during the video rental days you weren't allowed to just go out and purchase a bunch of videos at Walmart and start renting them out, you need to have purchased the rights to rent out the video.

You are completely wrong. There's no such thing as "right to rent video." You could 100% buy a bunch of videos and start renting them out today, and it would be completely legal. Netflix does this today for their DVD rental business. This is also why libraries are legal. You can't buy a DVD and charge tickets to see the DVD played by you. You can't stream the DVD's contents over the Internet. But you can absolutely r…

When publishing an ebook, you set a different price (usually a multiple) for libraries.

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Because the people of China didn't choose this: their oppressive and authoritarian government did it for them.

This is right. If people vote for censorship in a democracy, that's a perfectly fine form of governmental heterogeneity. What's happening in China is not that.

So if the majority of a country vote in a party on their discriminatory position towards minorities, that's all well and good? Legal, sure, but is that ok?

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At the end the article claimed that censorship prevented creation of good movies. In Soviet Union a few good movies were made despite draconian censorship.

Then after abolishment of all censorship there were less good films from former USSR. It almost looked like directors tried to put all previously banned sex, violence and cursing on screen but in the process forgot how to film good stories.

Re: The Big [Censored] Theory

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Is aversion to discussion of sex a part of traditional Chinese culture? Seems odd given I'm not aware of any puritanical religions taking hold there.

Non-heterosexual images (and masturbation) are anathema to China's leadership because China is facing a population decline, due to very low fertility.[1] [2] Internally produced TV in China has been censored for portraying "effeminate men".[3] The CCP has also, er, "encouraged", women to spend less time on social media and shopping. Internally the CCP says members must have three children.[4] 1. Here is military age…

> The CCP has also, er, "encouraged", women to spend less time on social media and shopping. Internally the CCP says members must have three children.[4]

Good luck with that in a society where pursuit of prosperity is a central tenet and consumerism is rampant.

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Asian men historically have been desexualized. The show is relying on that stereotype. https://youtu.be/2k82hIqd1Os

I think the butt of the joke regarding their ineptitude with women is their being nerds, not their individual demographics (Indians, Jews, or Autistics).

That is my primary problem with the show. It's often more making fun of nerds than making nerd jokes (though they have those too, fortunately). It's pretty low-brow humour for a show about smart people.

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> Cases in the category of disrespect usually involve a joke at the expense of China or its peers North Korea and Russia. They also care for Russia! That is friendship! https://www.google.com/search?q=%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%...

More likely the CCP intents to collaborate with Russia for various strategic/economic reasons, and media that criticizes Russia would make the CCP look bad by association.

Re: The Big [Censored] Theory

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If government comes to you and says “this should be taken down due to X reason” then it is government censoring. China does the same thing. I linked elsewhere in this thread examples of the government asking Facebook or Twitter to censor directly. There’s an implied threat. The Supreme Court has already ruled on this previously. I expect in the next couple years as court cases about the censorship work through the co…

They were asked because the government has no legal grounds to force them. In this situation, Facebook and Twitter are not legally obligated to take action. If they took action, it is because they chose to. In China, companies are legally obligated to take action whether they want to or not. It’s not the same thing.

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