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EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by smoldesu »

efields wrote: post #676
smoldesu wrote: post #673

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Newpipe is amazing, if iOS users had access to it then YouTube might actually be forced to improve their mobile app. Out-of-the-box, you get video downloading, PiP, background playback, and so much more. No need to pay Google a dime for the best YouTube features on the market.

Sure. Just violate the TOS of YouTube and you can do all kinds of fun.

Yep. And Google can do nothing about it, because Newpipe (deliberately) doesn't support user login. The tradeoff is incredibly worth-it, in my eyes.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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jorvi wrote: post #413
cycomanic wrote: post #273

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Can we stop pretending that Apple has the users best interest in mind? They just want to be the gatekeeper for lucrative applications/functions so they can charge for it. That they somehow convinced apple users that it's somehow in their interest just shows how good their marketing is.

A big case in point is Apple Music. Apple turning the Music Player app in Apple Music allowed them to catch a huge part of the market that had never interacted with music streaming before. Extremely anti-competitive. IMO when they did that they should have immediately been forced by the EU to instead show a pop-up that also gave the option for Spotify, Deezer, Tidal etc.

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Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by denkmoon »

cycomanic wrote: post #273
hyperpape wrote: post #175

There's several very good provisions in this legislation (3rd party payment processors, non-preferential treatment for 1st party apps), there are several that have a mix of upsides and downsides (sideloading is one--I personally like knowing that Facebook can't ask people to sideload some privacy destroying crap on iOS). Then there's: - Allow developers to integrate their apps and digital services directly with those…

Can we stop pretending that Apple has the users best interest in mind? They just want to be the gatekeeper for lucrative applications/functions so they can charge for it. That they somehow convinced apple users that it's somehow in their interest just shows how good their marketing is.

>Somehow

Perhaps by creating products that their users actually don't hate using.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by sircastor »

yazaddaruvala wrote: post #575
ko27 wrote: post #458

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> People don’t choose iPhone because they want those things Your argument is ridiculous. People didn't choose iPhone because they wanted to deprive themself of an option to switch browsers engines or payment vendors either. People actually chose iPhones for a thousand other reasons.

I choose iPhone because of the additional privacy. I had Androids for years, got fed up with the setting and the choices that all seemed to result in poor experiences. I chose to buy an iPhone because I only have Safari (it’s a feature - keeping the browser engine market diverse - otherwise welcome to Chromium). With only Safari on iPhones my default iPhone keychain is used, I get Hide my Email by default, etc.

> I choose iPhone because of the additional privacy. I had Androids for years, got fed up with the setting and the choices that all seemed to result in poor experiences.

This was my experience too. I owned the first iPhone, switched to Android for about 10 years, and then recently switched back. Largely because I have been increasingly less comfortable with handing over Google all my data. I like the idea of Android, but the execution (still) leaves something to be desired.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by _carbyau_ »

madeofpalk wrote: post #207
illuminati1911 wrote: post #182

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I don’t think fucking around with EU regulators is something Apple should do here. They’ll probably revenge even with stronger further regulations later.

I think they should fuck around and find out.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes!

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by sircastor »

saiya-jin wrote: post #564
ynniv wrote: post #529

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No one chooses phones based on browser engines. Why anyone is upset with Apple improving security by only allowing executable pages in Safari is beyond my comprehension.

I would, after this and switch to usb-c. 3 months ago I was deciding where to put 1300 euro, apple vs samsung top of the line, and samsung won. This was 1 out of cca 4-5 points that decided it (sideloading, notch, usb-c, better zoom photos for family/nature, weight... apple had only battery as plus). Firefox mobile with ublock origin (and other plugins) makes general internet seriously usable. Sideloading for me is n…

It sounds like your issue is with Pioneer, who isn't supporting their old hardware. It's nice that side-loading has offered you a workaround, but is that a make-or-break thing for you? Would you have still bought the Samsung phone if side-loading didn't solve that problem?

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by mullingitover »

the_duke wrote: post #244

This regulation is 5+ years overdue, but legislation always lags behind market conditions. If the US/other countries follow suit there will probably be a big unintended effect though: the diminishing of open web standards and Google getting final say about what will work on "the web" and what won't. With Firefox diminishing, Safari is the last bastion against a Chromium-only web. There are lots of Chromium forks, but…

I predict Chrome will come to iOS with working uBlock extension on day one, and that will be the last day I use Safari.

I'm not even a fan of this regulation (I think it's sour grapes on the part of the EU because they have utterly failed to compete in this space) but I loathe the browser experience, with its lack of working ad blocking, on iOS.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by NonNefarious »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #494
hyperpape wrote: post #175

There's several very good provisions in this legislation (3rd party payment processors, non-preferential treatment for 1st party apps), there are several that have a mix of upsides and downsides (sideloading is one--I personally like knowing that Facebook can't ask people to sideload some privacy destroying crap on iOS). Then there's: - Allow developers to integrate their apps and digital services directly with those…

>Apps will use near-field communication technology and other mechanisms to track us Ok, well, the EU mandates opening up this tech to apps, some apps then violate GDPR in various ways leading to big fines for those apps. Now someone is going to say fines with GDPR have not been big enough, but I think they are slowly increasing (because really that is typical gov. policy, don't go in with big fines, start small, and…

"Big fines?" Seriously? How are you going to wring "big fines" out of piddly-ass hacks troweling out junk apps?

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by [deleted] »

jorvi wrote: post #413
cycomanic wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we stop pretending that Apple has the users best interest in mind? They just want to be the gatekeeper for lucrative applications/functions so they can charge for it. That they somehow convinced apple users that it's somehow in their interest just shows how good their marketing is.

A big case in point is Apple Music. Apple turning the Music Player app in Apple Music allowed them to catch a huge part of the market that had never interacted with music streaming before. Extremely anti-competitive. IMO when they did that they should have immediately been forced by the EU to instead show a pop-up that also gave the option for Spotify, Deezer, Tidal etc.

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