Am I the only one starting to get a little worried what will happen when the pendulum inevitably swings the other way?
Isn't this already happening with the don't say gay people?
Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken
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Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken
#682I wonder if this is an example of not knowing your audience (or rather assuming one's self represents a wider audience than it does). The people vouching for this at Google are likely product marketing managers, public relations folks, social media managers, etc. All they do is write corporate garbage all day, and much like we have "nit"s in PR's for formatting, variable names, etc; they likely have similar reviews t…
This explanation rings a lot more true to me than the rest of this thread. Everyone here seems to be looking into shadows for the woke gestapo, when I'd be willing to bet that this explanation is a lot closer to how this tool actually came to exist. I appreciate you adding to the conversation.
If it weren't for the "shadows of woke gestapo" as you call them, these things would never make it to prod because someone would "this ain't right" and when every PM is getting some amount of that feedback it would be heard. The fact that everyone working at Google is on the easy money train and doesn't want to upset that probably has a lot to do with people not speaking up as well.
Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken
#683Earlier quoted context omitted.
If we're going to play this game, I think dissuading people from using "mother" in the example of "motherboard" is offensive. Mothers are the source of human life on earth, and in that capacity are revered and honored. When we say motherboard, we're making an analogy that suggests the board's significance and universal connection to everything. To discourage the term as an analogy for things that are a universal sour…
I know we all see this as a slippery slope, but let's remember what's at the other end of the slope. Anyhow, you might find it awkward, but the general assumption that "parent" is synonymous with "mother" to the exclusion of all other kinds of parents does real damage to inclusiveness, and the term "motherboard" flows from that. I know your tongue is in cheek, but the mainboard may be considered a parent of the compo…
at this rate every word in English is going to be "main"
Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken
#684Earlier quoted context omitted.
> somebody had to explain to them there are people in the world who are discriminated against, but aren't black. As a Russian, this is amusing to read. For me and most people I know, when you meet a black person, it's totally normal to ask them "where are you from" because they can't possibly be local. Our society just doesn't have the concept of racism it seems because of the exceeding rarity of people who aren't Eu…
A black person could not have been born and raised in a Russian city?
It's exceedingly unlikely, as historically there's no resident population with African descent and migration was very limited; a black person could have been born and raised in a Russian city, but that would be a rare occurrence as those people are far outnumbered by tourists or temporary students from Africa; and this would also depend on the city - Moscow is a bit more international where e.g. Patrice Lumumba University teaching elites from USSR-friendly African states, however for most regional cities with million+ people there were literally 0 people with African descent when the Iron Curtain fell, so obviously any current adult black person could not have been born and raised there.
Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken
#685“Cutting phrases like “whitelist/blacklist” and “master/slave” out of our vocabulary not only addresses years of habitual bias in tech terminology,”
no it doesn’t. it does literally nothing except make a person feel like they did something when they did nothing, like posting a black square on instagram, so they can go right back to being a starbucks slurping propaganda watching cow.
“Shifts in our speech like swapping “manned” for “crewed” spaceflight are attempts to correct histories of erasing women and non-binary people from the industries where they work.”
yea I can’t wait for the sequel to Hidden Figures where we learn it wasn’t actually black women who were responsible for landing a man on the moon (should we say land a person on the moon?), it was actually nonbinary otherkin with purple hair who really made it happen. it will be called Extremely Hidden Figures
Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken
#686> Emily Lipstein typed “Motherboard” (as in, the name of this website) into a document and Google popped up to tell her she was being insensitive: “Inclusive warning. Some of these words may not be inclusive to all readers. Consider using different words.” It’s amazing how a Fortune 500 company can release a product that chastises you for using the word “motherboard” because it has “mother” in it, while other people…
Birthingpersonboard you bigot
Minus 10 social credit points. Birthingpersonboard contains the word SON.
Please use a more inclusive term like
Birthingper-INDIVIDUAL-board
Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken
#687Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a little of both. There's enough woke influence over corporate communication to drive all employees to want to avoid non-inclusive words in docs. At that point, this becomes useful even for employees who don't agree with it—I'd rather just have the word flagged now and fix it instead of going back and forth later. However, the net result is that words are driven out of the language even if everyone involved in t…
>However, the net result is that words are driven out of the language even if everyone involved in the document wouldn't care. No one uses "fuck" in corporate communication either. Is anyone worried about that word being "driven out of the language"? I don't think corporate speech is as influential in overall language use as you are implying.
Funny. I remember graduating over 20 years ago. My first job out of University was on a construction site as a supervisory engineer. My direct manager, a crusty old guy, took me aside one day and explained to me the importance and necessity of applying the word "fuck" as part of my role. This was not a joke on his part. He had observed that I was a soft university educated well spoken book type. Nobody who I was supervising was going to take me seriously ever. I never actually applied his advice to the full extent but I did learn to toughen up somewhat .
Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken
#688Earlier quoted context omitted.
What about a motherboard is specifically maternal?
Maybe because expansion boards were called daughterboards? https://www.techopedia.com/definition/6772/daughterboard
Sure. The OED even lists them as contemporary coinages:
[1965 Wireless World July 49/2 (advt.) Contact tail variations..include..tails for direct mounting to a ‘mother’ printed circuit board.] 1965 Electronics 6 Sept. 36/1 Nine daughterboards, each carrying 30 circuit packages, go on each side of a motherboard.
However, that's just an analogy: it doesn't actually tell you anything about what the motherboard does or why. In that sense, I think mainboard is actually a bit more descriptive: it's the principal interconnect between all of the device's parts.
Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken
#689I dislike this proposed feature as much as the next person, but it's worth noting that the main complaint of this article is fairly unique: they work on a channel called Motherboard, and this feature is going to cause the name of their channel to be considered a problem. Most people won't experience that specific error case. It's valid, and points to the kinds of unforeseen consequences you run into when trying to ma…
Considering the word “mother” - a concept that is about as universally understood across the whole of humanity as it is possible for a concept to be - “problematic“ is itself a sign that this movement has gone off the deep end.
It doesn't even make sense that an AI model trained on normal writing samples would flag that as problematic, since it is not considered so by the vast majority of people. Unless the model was trained exclusively on the most extreme Tumblr posts, it suggests that fringe Google employees are injecting their personal ideology into the products.
The vast, vast majority of people do not want their mothers erased from the language.
Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken
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Genuinely curious: what do you do internally for "male" and "female" connectors?
plug, socket
Those refer to different things.
Here's a female plug https://www.homedepot.com/p/Leviton-15-Amp-125-Volt-3-Wire-C...
Here's a male socket https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/10A-250V-AC-Male-Powe...