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Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by sudosysgen »

notadev wrote: post #672
sudosysgen wrote: post #594

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anti mandate movements in general have something closer to what you said, but everyone I know that isn't right wing is embarrassed or angry at the convoy, even those who don't like mandates.

How accurate of a gauge do you think your liberal friends are? I am not as liberal as all of my coworkers seem to be, but implying otherwise would make me feel less certain about keeping my job. Any chance your friends are just conforming to what they assume you think in order to maintain social status or your friendship?

My friends aren't only liberal, and most of them aren't from work. I worked for a fair bit in logistics and still have contact with that field, which leans much more to the right, and I haven't heard any support so far.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by kadoban »

StanislavPetrov wrote: post #654
defaultname wrote: post #198

This sort of discussion never goes well, but using GoFundMe to finance occupations, especially across national borders , is an incredibly dangerous game. If a GoFundMe to harrass and harangue Ron DeSantis -- to effectively sponsor people to park outside his home and blast horns, among other things -- would he be okay with that? How about if Canadians paid millions for people to park on US interstates? Is that okay? T…

>And it's interesting how exactly the same group of people lamenting the paying of bail for BLM protesters are falling in line with rights for this trucker group to harass and occupy Canadian cities. That's true, and its also interesting how exactly the same people who support the paying of bail for BLM looters and rioters (lawful protesters aren't arrested and don't need bail) are cheering the decision of GoFundMe t…

> lawful protesters aren't arrested and don't need bail

That's only true if the police are perfect, which is very much not the case.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by salawat »

culi wrote: post #606
s1artibartfast wrote: post #592

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody said anything about above the government.. If my city sets up a school board, that isn't a replacement government or above the power of the government. Governments delegate power to panels and empowers them to make decisions on their behalf every day. Asking a government to set up a group to make decisions is not Revolution

You can just read it for yourself: https://canada-unity.com/mou/ > SCGGC will effective as of midnight on this ___, day of ___________, 2021,instruct all levels of the Federal, Provincial, Territorial, and Municipal governments to re-instate all employees in all branches of governments and, not limited to promote the same to the private industry and institutional sectors employees with full lawful employment rights p…

You have an odd definition of full-control.

I mean, in terms of legalese, they actually made a reasonable pass at scoping it down. Literally the only verbatim goal there is to reverse what was seen as overreach.

Just because it's a wide reach doesn't mean grasping for full unilateral ongoing control.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by defaultname »

notadev wrote: post #672
sudosysgen wrote: post #594

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anti mandate movements in general have something closer to what you said, but everyone I know that isn't right wing is embarrassed or angry at the convoy, even those who don't like mandates.

How accurate of a gauge do you think your liberal friends are? I am not as liberal as all of my coworkers seem to be, but implying otherwise would make me feel less certain about keeping my job. Any chance your friends are just conforming to what they assume you think in order to maintain social status or your friendship?

"Any chance your friends are just conforming"

In another post you claimed "seems to be siding with the government because the intent of the protest has been declared wrong-think by the PM"

Do you really think this? Do you really just caricaturize people who think differently from you in some easy "but they don't really think that" bin? In another you declared it "boomers".

Most of Canada is strongly over mandates. I'm over mandates, and many public agencies have made clear that things are going back to normal. Omicron changed everything. But we don't identify with an *ignorant* group primarily funded by and cheered on by Americans. It is, at its essence, almost traitorous.

And again let me say that I lean conservative. BLM protests that get out of hand? SEND IN THE POLICE. Rail blockades that go on for days? SEND IN THE POLICE. If I were in Seattle, the whole CHAZ/CHOP thing would be completely unacceptable. Amazingly I am also fully and completely against some of the most profoundly ignorant people this country hosts, financed by foreigners, terrorizing a city 24/7 (and yes, while you have "seen on Twitter" that the honking stops at 10 -- 105db incessant honking -- it actually happens throughout the day, along with fireworks and loud music), and the only victims are the citizens of Ottawa and Canada.

Maybe everyone who thinks differently from you is just a boomer conforming and eagerly consuming what the PM declares "wrong-think". Or maybe your perspective of the world is completely broken.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by salawat »

giaour wrote: post #187
mistrial9 wrote: post #145

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in the USA, a psychiatric patient, even if seriously ill, has the right to refuse medication. This non-negotiable law is in place exactly because of past generations battle over forced medications.

I don't think that's comparable at all. If you don't want to get vaccinated but your employer has a mandate, you can quit. Similarly, your employer can fire you if there is no reasonable accommodation for your medical condition that you are willing to accept. If, for example, you have a treatable form of schizophrenia but refuse all medication, you can get fired if that condition renders you unable to perform your jo…

>I don't think that's comparable at all. If you don't want to get vaccinated but your employer has a mandate, you can quit.

You can't quit the game. I assure you. Might as well make the stand here and now, because in the end, it will find it's way back to you. People problems always do.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by puffoflogic »

culi wrote: post #273
mc32 wrote: post #32

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Go fund me deserves all the flak they receive. Redirecting donations intended for one cause to causes of their choosing is fraudulent. If they have an issue with a cause, which should be stipulated in their ToCs up front and not subject to inflight changes, then refund all donors to the best of their ability.

Before GFM decided to directly refund everyone, their plan was to redirect any non-refunded funds to charities of the choosing of the organizers of the GFM. The only way they would go to left-leaning charities would have been if the organizers of the GFM were left-leaning and chose that

The charities were going to be selected by the convoy but "approved" by GFM. Obviously there's no public list of charities GFM has "approved" in the past but it goes without saying that only left-leaning charities make the list.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by salawat »

magicjosh wrote: post #244

Anyone have commentary on how cryptocurrencies will step in to this space? Platforms like GoFundMe provide such a thin veneer of value. It's easy for them to overstep their bounds to the point where it's not worth it. If I were a journalist raising funds for a documentary I would be wary of such platforms. (Didn't see this mentioned elsewhere in the thread)

Any cryptocurrency, upon becoming established enough to notice, will be regulated at the point of fiat conversion, or as soon as it gains legal tender status. Cryptocurrency enthusiasm is completely oblivious to the fact that currencies are legitimate because they are recognized as such by what people acknowledge as the authorities.

Finance regulation is a wench like that.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by mthoms »

salawat wrote: post #679
seemack wrote: post #608

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Accepting your premise that it's being forced on us, how is this different from the many other laws we are "forced" to obey as a part of Canadian society?

Consent of the governed, quite obviously.

Majority consent[0], which is what we have in the case of the vaccine.

[0] except for protected classes, there are specific carve outs for that.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by mthoms »

odshoifsdhfs wrote: post #653
PierceJoy wrote: post #409

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not forced. There any many jobs that don't require a vaccine. It's a choice. A protection racket is enforced through the use of physical violence. Terrible analogy.

I'm your boss, either have sex with me or be fired. You aren't forced, there are a lot of other jobs that don't require you to have sex with the boss. You ok with this? Don't have an abortion or you will be fired. Don't have a kid or you will be fired. It is always a choice right?

In Canada, all of what you just described is illegal.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by mthoms »

salawat wrote: post #680
PierceJoy wrote: post #595

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> By definition, this is forced. Force means to make someone do something against their will. Yes, but they aren't required to get the vaccine against their will. They have the choice to quit. That's what makes it a choice. If they had no choice to quit, then you would be correct. > In this case the choice is be fired or take the vaccine. Exactly. > They obviously don't want to be fired, so they are being forced to t…

"You will give me what I want, or you will choose to relinquish your livelihood" does not sound like a choice, but an ultimatum. Heads: I win, Tails: you lose is not good faith in the slightest, or even a reasonable facsimile of a choice.

Speaking of good faith arguments; as you know they can still be truckers. Just not international truckers.

There are tons of domestic trucking jobs.

And they can’t be international truckers anyways because the US won’t let them in without a vaccine.

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