Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro • Hacker News Board

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by soylentnewsorg » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 9:22 AM UTC

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We are not talking about datacenter servers - we are talking about smartphones. you can run a 4.9 kernel with all security patches applied, just like you can run windows10 with all security patches applied. You can update bluetooth and wifi modems without going to a later kernel version. We call those drivers, not kernels. The issue you note is only exploitable via a bug if you have an outdated version of the chrome…

Good luck finding drivers for phone wifi, bluetooth, etc. That’s the fking problem — linux doesn’t have a stable driver api, so the binary blobs drivers will not allow people upgrading major linux kernel versions. If everyone around you is stupid, then maybe you don’t understand the topic at hand?

finding drivers for the official google phones? with about 12 years of kernel support, officially from google?

https://source.android.com/devices/architecture/kernel/andro...

not a problem at all. now your samsung or some unknown brand, who knows. I'm sure your 12 year old iphone got the latest and current bluetooth driver though.

not everyone around me is stupid. just the guy being purposely dense. you.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by hocuspocus » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 9:23 AM UTC

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Not true with last year's Pixels in several European countries. We got $200 Bose headphones during preorders. There was never a better time to buy them after that. Probably the same thing with the Pixel 6/6P this year.

And do you need $200 Bose headphones? Do you think it will be easy to sell them? Better get $200 off of the phone price then get freebies.

It's super easy to resell them, it took me a couple days last year even though they were the QC35 II (which were heavily discounted right and left around Black Friday). It'll be only easier this year with the 700.

Sure, it'd be much easier for everyone to get a $200 discount but that just hasn't happened at all after preorders.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by xdavidliu » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 9:24 AM UTC

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I did notice that - even though I'm using a pixel 3a now I'm waiting for full reviews and some understanding of why they embargoed the phone reviews before deciding to buy.

Same here. Still rocking my Pixel 3 even though the USB C port is hosed and I can only wirelessly charge. :/

i have a pixel 3 and exact same thing happened to me. a bent staple worked perfectly for me in scraping out the dust. paperclips are way too large.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by soylentnewsorg » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 9:24 AM UTC

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Smartphones aren’t servers, but they run tons of services that interact with the surrounding world. Bluetooth, WiFi, etc… The kernel also still plays a vital and security-meaningful role in processing calls from applications. Running an out of date kernel could mean strangers ransoming your data, or could mean an attack becomes persistent and starts logging and uploading through reboots. Running an out of date kernel…

> Smartphones aren’t servers, but they run tons of services that > interact with the surrounding world. Bluetooth, WiFi, etc… Sounds like a server to me. Maybe not a webserver, or an SMTP server, or database server, but it is a server running world-accessible services.

OP: wifi and bluetooth

you: when I hear wifi and bluetooth, I think server

seriously, wtf are you doing on this forum?

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by soylentnewsorg » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 9:27 AM UTC

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I'll start by saying I spent a full 5 minutes reading through those and gave up. I asked for an example, you pasted twenty pages of random garbage and said "here, maybe you'll find something in this dump I took - why don't you spend some time and maybe I'll prove you wrong." In those five minutes of looking through your garbage dump, I found Zero vulnerabilities that do not need either you installing a virus, which t…

There’s an example of it on HN front page right now, where a terminal application without privileges can trigger a kernel bug.

for those times when I run that terminal application on my phone. which is already rooted, so it's doesn't need the kernel bug to get root. it can just run.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by soylentnewsorg » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 9:32 AM UTC

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I'll start by saying I spent a full 5 minutes reading through those and gave up. I asked for an example, you pasted twenty pages of random garbage and said "here, maybe you'll find something in this dump I took - why don't you spend some time and maybe I'll prove you wrong." In those five minutes of looking through your garbage dump, I found Zero vulnerabilities that do not need either you installing a virus, which t…

Do you also run all your programs as root on desktop? Wtf. Also, regarding your previous post, modern Android and ios is lightyears ahead in security than any desktop os out there, for good reason (majority of people interact with their phones, and store much more sensitive data there)

>Do you also run all your programs as root on desktop? Wtf.

yes. always have. same in windows where I also don't use antivirus. and this is what most tech people do for their personal equipment. because the one issue I had, in my 30+ years of using computers, and 20+ years of doing it professionally as a dev, sysadmin, and storage admin, I only once got a virus.

i'll tell you a little secret too. yes, it's wtf to people who don't know what they're doing and need the safeguard against when they screw up. I know enough to not screw up. now go pipe a bash script from a webpage to sh to install something, because that's what the installation manual for your game said to do.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by soylentnewsorg » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 9:36 AM UTC

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I love the iphone. I get my wife the latest and greatest every two years, and I forget about it. If she had an Android anything, I'd be spending at least an hour per week on tech support. It's absolutely worth the inflated price for me, and the fact that it's extremely limited in possible features is a bonus. Just like I used to love stick, but now an automatic tranny is great, as my enjoyment is the destination not…

>If she had an Android anything, I'd be spending at least an hour per week on tech support. I highly, highly, highly doubt that. Considering how static phones honestly are after initial setup, when you've installed the apps you need and configured the few things you need configuring, you never touch anything that's not an app.

try installing 5 random apps per week from the google app store and report back to us with the results. make sure to change your phone to mandarin and look for apps from china. repeat in japanese and cantonese. this is what my wife does. she's a language teacher and translator.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by wiso » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 9:37 AM UTC

We aren’t in your region yet You can still browse our products in any of the other regions.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by kaba0 » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 9:37 AM UTC

soylentnewsorg wrote: post #686

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Do you also run all your programs as root on desktop? Wtf. Also, regarding your previous post, modern Android and ios is lightyears ahead in security than any desktop os out there, for good reason (majority of people interact with their phones, and store much more sensitive data there)

>Do you also run all your programs as root on desktop? Wtf. yes. always have. same in windows where I also don't use antivirus. and this is what most tech people do for their personal equipment. because the one issue I had, in my 30+ years of using computers, and 20+ years of doing it professionally as a dev, sysadmin, and storage admin, I only once got a virus. i'll tell you a little secret too. yes, it's wtf to peo…

Anyone saying they know enough not to screw up, most definitely knows hardly anything. Also, screwing up is not about knowing enough, it’s about being human, who make mistakes.

Running anything under root is just insanely stupid.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by soylentnewsorg » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 9:40 AM UTC

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One doesn't have to dream. Flashing a rom on google-branded phones is so simple, a non-tech person can follow a 5min youtube video to do it. The Nexus 6 from 2014 can have the latest android running on it - not just security updates. And unlike an iphone, it has a build that disables some eyecandy that keeps it actually usable and fast. As I understand it if you run the last supported ios on an iphone 5s, with all th…

Can you run banking apps on custom roms? The Barclays app refused to run on mine a few years ago, but maybe something changed since.

it's not a custom rom thing. they check for root and sometimes google play. i have to turn off root if i run a banking app. uber won't work - i use their website version. vanguard app runs perfectly fine on my custom rom, downloaded from the aptoide store.