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Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by basicplus2 »

errantspark wrote: post #436

Imagine if we had the technology to, when a laptop was in a hibernated or off state to use some sort of a mechanism to physically disconnect the battery. I know this is absolutely crazy but it seems to me that this would solve these problems in a foolproof way that wouldn't lead to the situation where your mission critical piece of equipment has killed it's battery, or itself entirely because it decided to do somethi…

Perhaps a device with a movable metal plate that disconnects a wire.. we could call it an 'Off Switch'

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by fphhotchips »

bobbylarrybobby wrote: post #648
radicalbyte wrote: post #485

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This is the literal reason I switched to OSX. I dislike the impractical design of Macbooks - horrible connectivity and no way to swap batteries. However the combination of 15 hrs battery life + closing the lid and it not melting a hole in my bag trumps any negatives.

Forget the overheating — the fact that Macs will save all your work when shutting down, and will refuse to shut down if this is not possible (for instance if some app that doesn’t support autosave (MS office) has unsaved work, or if there are terminal jobs running). Can’t imagine how anyone tolerates their computer just obliterating their work.

You're kidding right? I hate that behaviour of MacOS. If I told the OS to shut down/restart, I meant it. Kill everything and get on with it, I shouldn't have to babysit.

If I told it to update, I didn't mean "oh pretty please but if it's too hard don't worry about it", I meant "I know this ii. update is going to take an hour for a point release for some reason, but I'm going for a walk now - go ahead so IT gets off my back".

Also I've had many issues with my macbook overheating/discharging in my bag because I hit sleep, it looked like it was sleeping, but it was still on/woke up. Admittedly not a huge amount because of COVID but still.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by icelancer »

mjaniczek wrote: post #666
fxtentacle wrote: post #608

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Haha I should have mentioned that one as a repeat offender. After the Surface wakes up, reboots, makes noise, gets hot, and drains 20% of its battery, if I then run "powercfg.exe /lastwake" it'll pretend that it did not wake up X_X And in my case, there wasn't any non-Microsoft drivers on the system. The issue appears to be that they do magical stuff when they spot a WiFi connection, or when my WiFi router does its d…

Offtopic: > or when my WiFi router does its daily reboot. Damn, I think that might fix 99% of the issues I have with my WiFi router.

Yeah it helps. I recommend it as well, I have it scheduled to reboot at 5:15 AM every day.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by znpy »

saltcured wrote: post #676
znpy wrote: post #183

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My T440 does not have a discrete GPU. It's basically a T440s without the touchpad. But it's got an i7, of that matters.

As an i7, is it quad core? I had a T440p with i7-4700MQ and it had terrible power consumption compared to prior and later Thinkpads I have experienced. What I saw in powertop was that it never got into the better "package" power states. The cores could all be spending 90%+ of the time in C7 but the package as a whole was in C2 or worse. I never found a way to fix this. Mine had the NVIDIA GPU as well as Intel iGPU, a…

Nah, just a dual-core i7 @ 2.1 GHz. I got that laptop 2nd hand, so that was it.

I don't get into the bios very often so I might be wrong, but I don't recall seeing any indication of an nvidia gpu in mine. I'll look better!

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

cooljacob204 wrote: post #570
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #535

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I once had told Caffeine not to sleep my 2014 MBPr when the lid was shut and later put it in my backpack. Why the frak doesn’t the laptop have an over temp shutdown feature? iPhones so, trying leaving one in the sun for a bit.

Caffeine shouldn't prevent it from sleeping anymore anymore unless you have an HDMI plugged in it.

Perhaps it was Amphetamine with the relevant setting to prevent sleep with built-in display closed.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by astockwell »

mjaniczek wrote: post #667
radicalbyte wrote: post #485

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This is the literal reason I switched to OSX. I dislike the impractical design of Macbooks - horrible connectivity and no way to swap batteries. However the combination of 15 hrs battery life + closing the lid and it not melting a hole in my bag trumps any negatives.

One interesting tidbit is that Macbooks will (don't know since when) start booting up if you press any key after having shut the laptop down. That's a bummer when you want to go clean your keyboard and don't want the laptop running at the same time.

I believe this is just if it's sleeping with the lid open. If you go to Apple > Shut down... and let it complete, it will not turn back on unless you press the power button.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by bobbylarrybobby »

fphhotchips wrote: post #682
bobbylarrybobby wrote: post #648

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forget the overheating — the fact that Macs will save all your work when shutting down, and will refuse to shut down if this is not possible (for instance if some app that doesn’t support autosave (MS office) has unsaved work, or if there are terminal jobs running). Can’t imagine how anyone tolerates their computer just obliterating their work.

You're kidding right? I hate that behaviour of MacOS. If I told the OS to shut down/restart, I meant it. Kill everything and get on with it, I shouldn't have to babysit. If I told it to update, I didn't mean "oh pretty please but if it's too hard don't worry about it", I meant "I know this ii. update is going to take an hour for a point release for some reason, but I'm going for a walk now - go ahead so IT gets off m…

Can’t you just wait two minutes for it yo cycle through all open apps and click “don’t save”/“terminate” on all of them?

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by spaztastical »

bobbylarrybobby wrote: post #648
radicalbyte wrote: post #485

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the literal reason I switched to OSX. I dislike the impractical design of Macbooks - horrible connectivity and no way to swap batteries. However the combination of 15 hrs battery life + closing the lid and it not melting a hole in my bag trumps any negatives.

Forget the overheating — the fact that Macs will save all your work when shutting down, and will refuse to shut down if this is not possible (for instance if some app that doesn’t support autosave (MS office) has unsaved work, or if there are terminal jobs running). Can’t imagine how anyone tolerates their computer just obliterating their work.

funny

I was using an iPad Pro and I thought something in the Apple Notes app was good. Poof. Never found the file after.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by EugeneOZ »

BluePen8 wrote: post #611
zeven7 wrote: post #552

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I'll chime in as well from my 2020 XPS 17. This issue is incredibly frustrating. It's worth switching over, however I don't really know where to go for a premium laptop. I'm not very interested in a Mac. HP and Lenovo have given me tons of problems in the past (which is why I switched to Dell). From this thread it seems like several other vendors have similar problems to this Dell one. What options are there?

I'll be frank, the MacBooks are overpriced, and do have some of their own issues, but they're actually still the best choice. At the very least based on my own experience you should avoid HP Elitebooks, and Microsoft Surfaces, also Asus Zenbooks, and Dell Inspirons. ...As you can tell from that list I've tried very hard to avoid paying the premium for a MacBook before giving in. They're still not perfect, but they're…

"Overpriced" and "the best choice" can not be used in a single line. Looks like this premium goes not for nothing.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by reitzensteinm »

RandallBrown wrote: post #367
reitzensteinm wrote: post #278

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But I didn't list either of those issues? Are you replying to the correct person?

> I have a 2020 MBP, and it's as shitty as any high end Windows laptop I've used. The whole post is about Dell XPS laptops not being able to be used in a bag so when you said "it's as shitty" we could assume you were also talking about those issues.

Only if you're assuming Windows laptops all have the same issues. In my experience, they're all different.
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