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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by trboyden »

jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

The problem is, this is all marketing, and pricing it lower than Tesla is just a head-turner for the press, not the average citizens that actually buy these things. The base model F150 the low-end of the Lighting line compares to is only $28,940. That's $10,000 less than the electric model. Most consumers are not going to be buying a base model and dealers rarely carry them on their lots. So, the realistic starting point for these is most likely going to be around $50k. Slap on top of that the $10k to $20k dealers are currently getting above MSRP and this will be out of reach for most people.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by shard »

bombcar wrote: post #542
mountainethos wrote: post #503

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Some people seem to enjoy passing moral judgements onto others. What doesn't make sense to me is when someone who drives any gas car judges someone who drives a truck. Do they feel validated in their choices because someone made worse choices? Or do they decide that 30mpg is such a morally superior position than 20mpg that they have the right to judge others?

Is this not the average state of humanity? Anyone who does something less than me is an uneducated idiot, and anyone who does something more than me is a wasteful idiot?

Yes, I recall a comedian saying that about driving on the highway, people who drive slower than him are idiots, and people who drive faster than him are nuts.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by Noos »

bigmattystyles wrote: post #276
rootusrootus wrote: post #260

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> stereotyping of truck owners It's kind of ridiculous, really. You know who buys F150s? Everyone. If there were a stereotypical "truck owner" then Ford wouldn't sell better than a million of these every year. They have broad appeal to diverse demographics.

It’s signaling; in my mind it’s the same for many Tesla drivers. But I mean, same for me, I drive a Subaru Outback because while I do use it for outdoor exploring and want to signal that, its off road use is honestly limited to a dirt parking lot. It’s often about image. (Edit) consumption waste of traditional F150s, and yes, even that of my beloved Subaru is not great, but the absolute worst are coal rollers and tho…

The irony in this is that the imaging for subaru outbacks is "the car of choice for gays and lesbians." It's not just pickups that have associations with them.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by mywittyname »

coder543 wrote: post #82
thanatos519 wrote: post #25

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Don't forget that electric vehicles are almost silent.

Nope. All electric vehicles sold in the US since September 2020 must have a Pedestrian Warning System that emits noise at speeds less than 18mph: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_vehicle_warning_sound... Once you're above 10mph or 15mph the road noise from the tires makes more noise than the quiet gas engines we have these days anyways. This electric F-150 will not be "almost silent" in any way that matters to…

Yeah, EVs emit a really annoying sound. You don't really notice as a driver rolling around with the windows up, but when you pull one into a garage with the windows down, you hear that "WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOOWOWOWOWOOWEEEEEEERRRRR" echoing all over.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by happymellon »

dboreham wrote: post #319
jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

Story from when we moved to Montana 20 years ago: We buy a freezer at Costco. Checking out, we ask for details on delivery. Costco employee says "Oh, we don't deliver". We had been used to Costco in CA which at the time would deliver large items. I ask "Well, how do people get big things like freezers home". Costco person says "Easy, just put it in your pickup, we'll help you load". "Hmm...we don't own a pickup". Cos…

When I lived in Texas I didn't need a truck all the time. But when I did, it was critical.

I found that since I didn't need it most of the time the Home Depot Truck Rental for a couple of hours shifting freezers, flooring and other bulky items worked out well for me.

Saved on gas all the rest of the time.

But it really requires a Home Depot within 30 mins so not for everyone and if this had been an option, I probably would have just gone for the truck.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by gibspaulding »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #585

Why is snowplowing absent on all the EV trucks? Are they not capable of the heavy duty use or is the market not ready to buy them?

I'd imagine the weight and traction control would make an EV truck great for plowing.

Their marketing team must be based in So Cal and unaware of the use case. /s

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by farrarstan »

jacurtis wrote: post #395
dboreham wrote: post #319

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Story from when we moved to Montana 20 years ago: We buy a freezer at Costco. Checking out, we ask for details on delivery. Costco employee says "Oh, we don't deliver". We had been used to Costco in CA which at the time would deliver large items. I ask "Well, how do people get big things like freezers home". Costco person says "Easy, just put it in your pickup, we'll help you load". "Hmm...we don't own a pickup". Cos…

I moved to Idaho a several years ago and went through the same experience. I showed up in my Toyota Corolla and everyone kept saying it was a "cute car". This was just a normal car in Seattle. But here everyone was like, "oh how cute... a little Corolla". I also got comments from co-workers that were like "oh does your wife drive your truck?" Here every family basically owns a pickup. Idaho has a lot of BLM land, (se…

Damn hope u can fit all of those words in your truck

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by Auracle »

throwaway9870 wrote: post #570
ben7799 wrote: post #349

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Right the stereotyping here is ridiculous and full of out of control virtue signaling. If you live in an apartment complex it's ridiculous to have a truck. But Even if you own just a reasonable suburban house with a small amount of land you need to do a lot of dirty truck type jobs every year. I only have half an acre of land, but due to tons of trees I have yard work every year that causes me to have to do many many…

> If you live in an apartment complex it's ridiculous to have a truck. Many tradesmen that don't get company vehicles like to own pickups because they can haul stuff for work and their jobsite. Some of those people might even live in apartments. Imagine that! The amount of arrogance on this site is ridiculous. Just because you might know how to hook up a NAND gate or write some javascript code doesn't mean you are qu…

I live in a rural area. I personally know plenty of people that own truck that shouldn’t, and plenty that actually use them.

Both sides are right. There’s a significant portion of the population that think trucks are “men’s vehicles,” even if they never actually use the bed. All of the dealerships around here (usually) have their front highway facing row all pickups and maybe one sports car.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by Tiktaalik »

mywittyname wrote: post #207
_coveredInBees wrote: post #175

I gotta say, I am very impressed by what I've seen with the F-150. It's clear that a LOT of thought has gone into this product and Ford clearly understands their target audience extremely well. There are so many nice features that are so well tailored to folks who buy trucks. All the features to power job sites, etc is really sweet and I can totally see that being super handy. Heck, it would make it super easy to wor…

The only gotcha with this, is that F150s are huge. I have an oversized garage and an F150 will barely fit. Many of my full-size truck driving neighbors opt to park in the driveway because they turn a modern two car garage into a 1.5 car garage unless designed specifically for giant vehicles. I haven't seen consumer chargers that are designed to be installed outside. Most people have wall chargers in their garages, bu…

Electric or not, trucks have been getting so big in recent years it's becoming pretty absurd.
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