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Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by bird_monster »

mypalmike wrote: post #501
_5yoy wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why you would think a vaccine being managed by the government will be rolled out in a sane and consistent manner? edit As was correctly pointed out, I should mention I'm speaking purely about the US and not any other country.

So your argument is "government bad". I counter with "government good". See how productive this discussion is?

As someone else already pointed out, my claim was in fact "government is massively inefficient", with a wealth of evidence to support this claim.

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by jolmg »

XorNot wrote: post #660
jolmg wrote: post #616

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> Lowers the risk you ... infect other people Not necessarily: > Pfizer chairman: We're not sure if someone can transmit Covid after vaccination https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25298299 People that don't know that might be confident they don't need to keep distance or wear a mask anymore.

This is old news, at least one vaccine is reported to provide sterilizing immunity, so the expectation is swinging towards the idea that probably they all will. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...

> the impact of these COVID-19 vaccines on infection and thus transmission is not being assessed. Even if vaccines were able to confer protection from disease, they might not reduce transmission similarly.

> Challenge studies in vaccinated primates showed reductions in pathology, symptoms, and viral load in the lower respiratory tract, but failed to elicit sterilising immunity in the upper airways. Sterilising immunity in the upper airways has been claimed for one vaccine, but peer-reviewed publication of these data are awaited.

Italics are mine.

> These observations suggest that we cannot assume COVID-19 vaccines, even if shown to be effective in reducing severity of disease, will reduce virus transmission to a comparable degree. The notion that COVID-19-vaccine-induced population immunity will allow a return to pre-COVID-19 “normalcy” might be based on illusory assumptions.

I can't sense any tone of favorable expectation in the link you shared.

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by nondeveloper »

If the authorities in my state encourage my population (20s, male, low BMI) to take the vaccine, I’ll take the vaccine.

It’s a risk, sure. But the older people have borne the risk so far. I can’t speak for other young people but I feel personal responsibility to take it ASAP.

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Post by Omnus »

h3cate wrote: post #562
chopin wrote: post #542

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Are we talking about the same process which allowed companies for decades to hide trials which where not in their favor? Or until recently where not obliged to publish the trial results? Not to forget, many trials are not reproducible either. Compared to the "hard" sciences, medicine has not very high standards. And trials are completely profit-motivated, that's a bad incentive. These trials are conducted by the same…

Unfortunately it's impossible to have this conversation when the person is saying "I'm following the science but I won't explain the science to you". You may as well run into a brick wall

No. The onus is on you to explain why experts who have devoted their entire lives to groundbreaking vaccine research are wrong. It's like arguing with a 5 year old.

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Post by SamBam »

aplummer wrote: post #573
h3cate wrote: post #565

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Why is it your civic duty? What will you having this vaccine do for anybody but yourself?

Its a good question let me answer - some people can't get the vaccine. Right now, it's banned for people with allergies. Babies can't get it. For some people, they can never get it due to their immune system. Their only chance is never coming into contact with a contagious person, so that means as many of us need to get the vaccine as possible to ensure that doesn't happen.

Where is it banned for people with allergies? Source?

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Post by hcurtiss »

dhruvrrp wrote: post #663
h3cate wrote: post #643

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And what was the average availability for the previous 5 years?

It was hovering around 30-40% 2 months ago, and was around 56% in May. Unfortunately historical data is hard to find since most gov/hospital websites only seem to show covid related data.

But that's because the pandemic actually emptied out most hospitals. ICUs are not built for Easter Sunday. Here's an article with pre-pandemic numbers: "Although average ICU occupancy was only 68% in 2005, some hospitals, especially academic medical centers, regularly face occupancy levels exceeding 90% (Wunsch et al. 2013), often requiring the rationing of scarce critical care beds."

http://www.elisalong.com/uploads/1/0/9/7/109701801/long_math...

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