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Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by dukeofdoom »

xii22 wrote: post #653
dukeofdoom wrote: post #420

If we don't have a meaningful signature match, than we don't have a meaningful way to prevent fraud with mail in ballots. Period. Bad ballot Rejection rate of 6% in previous election to now 0.02%, with mail in ballots. Mismatched signatures resulted in a rejection for only 0.02% of all absentee ballots cast. How is that even possible. They counted almost everything. For those of you that think its unfair to reject ba…

can you link me a source that proves that the rejection rate of 6% went down to 0.02%? thank you!

These seem to be the most upto date numbers. "Rejected absentee/mail-in ballots as a percentage of total absentee/mail-in ballots returned, 2016-2020"

Georgia 2016 6.42%

Georgia 2020 .60%

Source https://ballotpedia.org/Election_results,_2020:_Analysis_of_...

Which cites the official Georgia election website as source of the raw data.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by WalterBright »

singlow wrote: post #330

If there is to be toleration in the world, one of the things taught in schools must be the habit of weighing evidence, and the practice of not giving full assent to propositions which there is no reason to believe true. For example, the art of reading the newspapers should be taught. The schoolmaster should select some incident which happened a good many years ago, and roused political passions in its day. He should…

People also can and do read the same description of events and come to wildly different conclusions.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by singlow »

jl2718 wrote: post #612
singlow wrote: post #330

If there is to be toleration in the world, one of the things taught in schools must be the habit of weighing evidence, and the practice of not giving full assent to propositions which there is no reason to believe true. For example, the art of reading the newspapers should be taught. The schoolmaster should select some incident which happened a good many years ago, and roused political passions in its day. He should…

In my 'education', I can't think of a single element of the historical record that was presented through conflicting accounts of contemporary sources. One side is simply labeled as evil and ignored, but, as far as I know, nobody has ever agreed with this characterization of themselves. Evidence too, if at all, was always used to support a narrative account of events, rather than to eliminate possibilities until a par…

My public U.S. high school history classes all included conflicting accounts from contemporary sources. Additionally we were several times asked to write position papers from an arbitrarily assigned side, regardless of our own opinions or those of the teacher, using those contemporary sources as a model for the arguments.

I would assume that that level of discourse in a history class is not the most common, but the opposing viewpoints were expressed directly in the textbooks as a standard appendix to each chapter, which were adopted district wide and probably statewide in Texas. This was not a special curriculum that our teachers designed, although they probably expanded on the concept more than most, given that it was a magnet high school.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by belorn »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #644
dukeofdoom wrote: post #420

If we don't have a meaningful signature match, than we don't have a meaningful way to prevent fraud with mail in ballots. Period. Bad ballot Rejection rate of 6% in previous election to now 0.02%, with mail in ballots. Mismatched signatures resulted in a rejection for only 0.02% of all absentee ballots cast. How is that even possible. They counted almost everything. For those of you that think its unfair to reject ba…

> How is that even possible. It's not true. This is a myth that's been spreading online about Georgia absentee ballots. Long story short: * The 6% number from 2016 comes from taking into account ballots that arrived late. * The 0.02% number from 2020 is actually 0.2%, and only takes into account ballots that arrived on time. The signature rejection rate in 2020 was actually very similar to the rates in 2018 and 2016.…

How does the claim that thins are very similar to 2016 work together with the claim that the 2020 was the most secure election in history?

An election is either more secure, less secure or equally secure. It can't be all three at the same time.

Personally I suspect this elect was very similar to 2016, and unless it too was the most secure election in history then we got a small problem.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by cmdshiftf4 »

sixothree wrote: post #623
singlow wrote: post #330

If there is to be toleration in the world, one of the things taught in schools must be the habit of weighing evidence, and the practice of not giving full assent to propositions which there is no reason to believe true. For example, the art of reading the newspapers should be taught. The schoolmaster should select some incident which happened a good many years ago, and roused political passions in its day. He should…

That's not how the human brain works. Repeat a lie often enough and it become true no matter how analytical you pretend to be.

>Repeat a lie often enough and it become true

And "often enough" here is drastically less, or fewer, than people appreciate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_men_make_a_tiger

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by screye »

UncleMeat wrote: post #467
singlow wrote: post #330

If there is to be toleration in the world, one of the things taught in schools must be the habit of weighing evidence, and the practice of not giving full assent to propositions which there is no reason to believe true. For example, the art of reading the newspapers should be taught. The schoolmaster should select some incident which happened a good many years ago, and roused political passions in its day. He should…

> some impartial account of what really happened We do see students, even at the college level, claiming that the high quality academic writing they are assigned in curricula is "liberal indoctrination". This method does not function because even the most well researched academic study of these topics can be simply rejected out of hand by students who have been fed lies about the very structure of education.

It is true isn't it ?

It is not indoctrination, in that it comes from a sincere place. However, it does tend to construct a story that is reviewed and conceived entirely by liberals. This is by the very nature of academic research and the people who inhabit it. Especially in non-STEM fields where truth is a very subjective matter.

A clearer example is Economics, where people from certain schools of thought will actively consider what is taught at other schools as indoctrination. People can't even agree on the core axioms of their field.

We are already seeing a lot of weakly researched topics being pushed around as truths, because believing otherwise does not align with the political goals of the institution.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by sdwa »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #615
GordonS wrote: post #400

I don't like what YouTube is doing. But... What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly , ridiculously false), and has millions of people…

This is the inevitable ruckus as more people realize that USA is a rigged democracy, and lose trust in the electoral system. A plain and transparent democracy would be "everybody votes, the candidate with more votes wins". Instead USA has the electoral college (what for? it has to vote the same as its citizens), winning by districts (what for? districts only exist to allow gerrymandering), and vote by mail without st…

Ironically the Electoral College was designed in part to protect against populist lunatics like Trump, but it's he who has benefited from it.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by dukeofdoom »

cityofdelusion wrote: post #671
dukeofdoom wrote: post #420

If we don't have a meaningful signature match, than we don't have a meaningful way to prevent fraud with mail in ballots. Period. Bad ballot Rejection rate of 6% in previous election to now 0.02%, with mail in ballots. Mismatched signatures resulted in a rejection for only 0.02% of all absentee ballots cast. How is that even possible. They counted almost everything. For those of you that think its unfair to reject ba…

Is there any evidence that signature matching is an accurate way to ensure correctness? As a useless anecdote, my current signature looks _nothing_ like the one on my state issued ID from 10 years ago. Something that someone else said is quite important here: the time to fix these things is before an election, not afterwards. It doesn't take much imagination to see how invalidating large quantities of ballots after-t…

The Trump team did take this to court before the election, but they were denied on the basis of the "injury" only being hypothetical at that time...

So they couldn't successfully sued before, and now they are told that its too late. Something very dishonest from the courts about that.

Your own personal anecdote confirms that people's signatures change overtime. Hence more should have been rejected.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by crocodiletears »

donkeyd wrote: post #327

Holy shit, this thread is scary. Sure, there are some implications worth discussing based on this news. However, the number of people directly posting doubts on the election results is way more concerning and shows that Youtube might be doing a good thing in this case.

Yes, to think that somebody might have doubts that the most ideologically contentious election in modern history, wherein both sides perceived the opposition to be an existential threat to their lives or lifestyles might have on any scale been marred by political actors attempting to fix the results in their favor is a sign that people are too irrational to be exposed to the idea going forward…
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