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AlphaFold: a solution to a 50-year-old grand challenge in biology

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Re: AlphaFold: a solution to a 50-year-old grand challenge in biology

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That's all nice in theory, but what's the compelling empirical evidence for corporate science vs academic research? A professor might conversely argue the open nature of scholarship and freedom of inquiry as being essential to basic science, and capitalist businesses fundamentally cannot provide that. So it goes back to empirical support. And last I checked, companies still need a pool of trained PhDs to choose from,…

Elsewhere in the thread makes plenty of cases for corporate advances, even (or perhaps especially?) in the 20th century with e.g. Bell Labs et al. I think the empirical results are pretty good for corporate science. As for 'needing' PhDs, I'm not sure. Having some can be convenient, yes, but in many cases not necessary. In some fields the only way to get caught up (i.e. no corporation will train you directly) may be…

That's an interesting way to make selection bias sound like "pretty good"; I disagree on the face of it, even if I am open to considering the idea of completely doing away with academia. I don't know and am skeptical, but intuitively, the day that would happen is the day that Nobel prizes are routinely awarded to FAANG companies and not to academics.

Further, since your original position was strongly that academia is useless, it is your onus to back up the implication that PhDs are not (generally) needed/useful, and using "well hmm, not sure if absolutely necessary" logic is fallacious and clouds the issue.

Re: AlphaFold: a solution to a 50-year-old grand challenge in biology

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> I don’t think we would do ourselves a service by not recognizing that what just happened presents a serious indictment of academic science. Much like other fields, I do begin to question the academic structure to making advances. It appears something is rotten in the state of academia. Oddly it's academia doing incremental improvements to existing methods but industry making novel leaps and bounds... The other majo…

Almost every single of the tens of thousand papers by the hundreds of tenured academics in the field of protein folding are made obsolete by 10 google engineers. This is what it's like when someone really moves the needle. And academic science cannot get it's head around it. And yet, none of these scientists will suffer any career consequences. Their irrelevant work will be healthily cited by all the other scientists…

fuck youre a retard, do you think this happened in a vacuum? pathetic wageslave

Re: AlphaFold: a solution to a 50-year-old grand challenge in biology

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Like the old Arthur C. Clark quote goes: “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic” -- unless it might be cheating in which case throw them a curve ball. Kudos to the DeepMind team for making magic happen.

I am happy you mention this. I was reading the article and thinking “wow the amount of scientific knowledge these guys need to know to understand what they are doing is way beyond me”. I work in health care and I always talk to clients about all the cool things they witnessed in their life. Cell phones, TVs, microwaves are some obvious ones I like to talk about. I sit and wonder what are the things my generation will…

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