Earlier quoted context omitted.
Endemic in this context is synonomous with systemic. You ignore the evidence showing unarmed black Americans are 25 times less likely to be shot by police than unarmed white Americans in a given interaction with similar circumstances, because it doesn't fit your victimhood narrative. You've done nothing but lob ad hominem at me for not agreeing with your completely baseless and unscientific quackery/dogma.
Well since you believe you understand what I'm saying better than I do, it seems like I'm not needed in this conversation. Have fun arguing with your straw man.
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Re: ‘Tokenized’: Black Workers’ Struggles at Coinbase
#682Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well since you believe you understand what I'm saying better than I do, it seems like I'm not needed in this conversation. Have fun arguing with your straw man.
The only institutional racism in America today is affirmative action that blatantly discriminates in favor of individuals belonging to supposedly disadvantages groups, or the racial victimhood ideology that leads to police shooting unarmed black individuals at 25 times lower frequencies than unarmed white individuals in similar situations.
Re: ‘Tokenized’: Black Workers’ Struggles at Coinbase
#683Earlier quoted context omitted.
The only institutional racism in America today is affirmative action that blatantly discriminates in favor of individuals belonging to supposedly disadvantages groups, or the racial victimhood ideology that leads to police shooting unarmed black individuals at 25 times lower frequencies than unarmed white individuals in similar situations.
Well since you believe you understand what I'm saying better than I do, it seems like I'm not needed in this conversation. Have fun arguing with your straw man.
Re: ‘Tokenized’: Black Workers’ Struggles at Coinbase
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Alright, so you've redefined the entire concept into something else and then went about dismissing the established concept entirely. Because that is, unlike your objective science, based on "extremely ideologically biased humanities and social sciences". Good for you. > I think the end of Jim Crow laws was the end of most institutional racism, with some remnants of it existing in the social contract that was quickly…
I'm referring to the terms "institutional" and "racism", when put together. If an ideological camp wants to put the terms together, and refer to a class of properties that are not both institutional and racism, I have no obligation to accept their arbitrary redefinition of the terms, and I can point out that the term is extremely misleading, like the "wage slavery" used by Marxists. >>This is just staring oneself bli…
Come on. You've cherry-picked a single vague line from the preamble of that article because it's so general that it also fits your narrow definition. The rest of the article goes on about the established definition.
You're redefining an entire concept coined to mean what we are talking about. Instead your clutching at straws adamantly sticking to the textboox definitions of the each word. That's just childish and have to place in any adult conversation.
Just in the last week you've redefined the following to fit your unsupported narrative here on HN and called everything else objectively false and refused to even discuss the other definition:
* Institutional/System racism, ignoring ~50 years of history (for the term itself, the practice itself is obviously much earlier).
* Soclal Democracy, ignoring ~200 years of history
* The concept of personal property and it's distinction from private property. Ignoring ~200 years of socialist history.
You do realize that you don't have to agree with the concept to at least discuss it? Something like "Yes, if we use established definition, which I disagree with, there's systemic/institutional racism against black people in America".
Because what definition do you even think people are using when asking you if it exists? "Do you like the color blue?", "No! there's no blue color". That's just childish and will never generate any constructive discussion at all, and is for all purposes just trolling or at least sabotage - answering a question that contains an established concept/definition with an entirely new one that only you know about.
Re: ‘Tokenized’: Black Workers’ Struggles at Coinbase
#685Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm referring to the terms "institutional" and "racism", when put together. If an ideological camp wants to put the terms together, and refer to a class of properties that are not both institutional and racism, I have no obligation to accept their arbitrary redefinition of the terms, and I can point out that the term is extremely misleading, like the "wage slavery" used by Marxists. >>This is just staring oneself bli…
> Institutional racism is "racism that is embedded as normal practice within society", which only occurs through the mechanism of systemic properties like its laws or rules, or its social contract, just as I explained. Come on. You've cherry-picked a single vague line from the preamble of that article because it's so general that it also fits your narrow definition. The rest of the article goes on about the establish…
The preamble is the most important section of an article. You don't "cherry pick" the most important part of an article.
My definition is exactly what the terms "institutional" and "racism" would imply when put together.
>>You're redefining an entire concept coined to mean what we are talking about.
It was not coined to mean whatever it is you're talking about (which none of you have actually specified by the way, because you know how absurd it sounds when spelled out).
>>* The concept of personal property and it's distinction from private property. Ignoring ~200 years of socialist history.
The concept of personal property is a socialist one. It's not used outside of left-wing circles who believe in left-wing economic quackery that is completely rejected by mainstream economics.
>>You do realize that you don't have to agree with the concept to at least discuss it? Something like "Yes, if we use established definition, which I disagree with, there's systemic/institutional racism against black people in America".
Established by who? Just as socialists don't get to establish what private property, or the terms "wage" and "slavery" when used together, mean for everyone else, racial injustice grievance activists don't get to establish what the terms "institutional" and "racism" mean when they're used together, for every one else.
Personal property is a form of private property, and demonstrates the prehistoric roots of capitalist principles.
The massive expansion of social welfare spending in the US over the last 50 years reflects the US moving drastically toward the social democratic pole of the free market - social democracy.
Workers are not "wage slaves" and their relationship with employers in no way resembles slavery.
There is no institutional racism in America, except in favor of members of allegedly disadvantaged groups, which receive explicitly favorable treatment through institutional privilege like affirmative action.
Re: ‘Tokenized’: Black Workers’ Struggles at Coinbase
#686Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Institutional racism is "racism that is embedded as normal practice within society", which only occurs through the mechanism of systemic properties like its laws or rules, or its social contract, just as I explained. Come on. You've cherry-picked a single vague line from the preamble of that article because it's so general that it also fits your narrow definition. The rest of the article goes on about the establish…
>>Come on. You've cherry-picked a single vague line from the preamble of that article because it's so general that it also fits your narrow definition. The rest of the article goes on about the established definition. The preamble is the most important section of an article. You don't "cherry pick" the most important part of an article. My definition is exactly what the terms "institutional" and "racism" would imply…
Yikes. If this is the level that you're at, I really hope that you are trolling.
The point is that you don't have to agree with the definition, you can just recognize that it exists and that it's used. Then you can try to argue against the actual contents of it instead of the naming. So let's call "systemic/institutional racism" something of your choosing and go on about actually challenging the contents of it instead, alright? If not, this is a waste of time.
Is the massive BLM protests just a massive misunderstanding - nostalgia of former injustices rather than current ones?
Re: ‘Tokenized’: Black Workers’ Struggles at Coinbase
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A lot of people traffic in blatant stereotypes in the guise of some kind of positive statement, which makes reprimands less likely. I once had a speaker tell us - in a diversity seminar! - about specific racial groups he thinks are too timid to speak up for themselves.
Being timid is strongly connected to your upbringing, your upbringing is strongly connected to culture and culture is strongly connected to race. Sure, saying "X are too timid" is a stereotype, but pointing out at a diversity seminar that you should be extra observant around X because they tend to not speak up for themselves is just good advice. Many cultures value being quiet and doing your job a lot more than other…
In another context this statement would be seen as overtly racist.
Re: ‘Tokenized’: Black Workers’ Struggles at Coinbase
#688Earlier quoted context omitted.
100% agree. I saw some of the shit posted about this on Cryptocurrency forums when Coinbase posted their weird tirade about wanting to be "neutral and apolitical" with regards to social justice and a few days ago about how everything is a lie as they tried to pre-empt this article. It all feels of gaslighting and has a shit ton of people buying into it. At the end of the day, the best thing for Coinbase employees to…
> At the end of the day, the best thing for Coinbase employees to do is to jump ship to a competitor (I for one, am happy to give a referral to any Coinbase employee who is leaving due to all this) - but absolutely vile that they would try to buy-out all POC in the company. What makes you think POC are equivalent with woke activists? That seems a bit like stereotyping to me. It also seems to contradict actual data.[1…
It's actually the opposite of the truth; "woke" activists/SJWs/whatever you want to call them are disproportionately white.
Re: ‘Tokenized’: Black Workers’ Struggles at Coinbase
#689“Most people of color working in tech know that there’s a diversity problem,” Interesting. Are Asians or Indians not “people” or “of color” in this worldview?
The major problem with this "people of color" designation is that it sweeps specific discrimination against African Americans* under the rug. It is certainly possible to have 100% employees "of color" while consciously excluding African Americans, which I have witnessed at private companies (blue collar jobs mostly) in California (where I live). The result is that affirmative action for African Americans, which has b…
Interestingly, a growing number of activists prefer the term ADOS (American descendants of slavery) because it makes precisely this distinction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Descendants_of_Slaver...
Re: ‘Tokenized’: Black Workers’ Struggles at Coinbase
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Newspeak makes a distinction between "poc" and "non black poc"
A new term I've seen used is "black & indigenous people of color" (BIPOC), which conspicuously leaves out Asians and is fuzzy on Hispanics.