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Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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post #184

It seems like EFF fought for youtube-dl and GitHub used their letter as legal firepower to bring the repo back online. If GitHub were fighting for the developer they would have funded the attorney, right? Though from their blog post it does look like they are taking steps to fund defense in the future as well as other steps to improve the situation. Reading EFFs claim is pretty interesting, they state that saving a c…

An important point:

There are many videos on YouTube that are 100% legal to download.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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post #579

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Or they just panicked with the RIAA request and needed time to regroup. Cynicism doesn't have to be a hobby.

This isn't the first frivolous DMCA request GitHub complied with. A company owned by one of the largest tech companies in the world doesn't need to "panic" about something like this. Sounds like cynicism is your hobby, buddy.

That's not what cynicism means.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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post #668

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I didn't expect any "3 minute solution", but realistically they didn't even have to get the problem fixed. They could have pledged to assist youtube-dl by now, helped them file a counter-notice sometime this week (surely they can get 1 lawyer's time for pressing PR matters), and figured out how to deal with the human resource situation over the coming months. Instead they found a million dollars (!!!), wrote a blog p…

Someone on github had to care for this project; Then someone with the proper level had to care for this and understand the situation. Then you need meetings. You need to 'coordinate' your message or whatever. You need to talk to the legal department and stuff. What is not 'adding up'? And why is it an issue that it took a little bit?

I agree with you completely. Someone high-up needs to care for this to get going.

GitHub's CEO claimed he cared, October 27: https://twitter.com/natfriedman/status/1321221940774723584

The fact that he didn't get a coordinated message or anything at all in the following three weeks shows how much he really did.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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The normal safe harbor protections and takedown procedure specified by law does not apply to claims under section 1201 like this one was. This also means no safe harbor protections against being sued for redistributing section 1201 infringing works either. There is instead an "innocent violation" clause that offers extremely limited defense that could apply to sites like GitHub or gitlab, but which would become void…

Interesting, thanks this clears some things up and gives me avenues for more research to understand what's up. Sounds like claims under 1201 (circumventing technology) are actually really dangerous for the host, there is no safe harbor? At least not after you've received any notification at all? All the more surprising that a host would be willing to disagree with a claimant and say "nah, we don't think you'd win in…

Yeah. The whole Section 1201 is just terrible. And the "innocent violations" thing is burden of proof on the "infringer", and is subject to court discresion. You can prove that you neither knew, nor had no way of knowing that the thing you distributed was designed to defeat a technological measure and still have the court say "too bad, that is the risk you take distributing things, you owe every cent they lost via piracy attributable to this plus statutory damages (despite the fact they already sued other people and got all the money they lost from piracy from them already)".

And the infringer is anyone who "manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof" with respect to an infringing device/program. note the "part thereof". While intended to allow RIAA/MPAA to go after people who are knowingly benefiting from selling some part that people found can be used to construct a piracy device, it technically means they can sue Linus Torvalds if Linux is used in an infringement tool and win if the Judge is not exercising that discretion.

Everything about 1201 et seq is poorly thought out.

I actually don't mind some other parts of the DCMA, like the basic safe harbor concept, but do believe it needs to updated to make false takedown notices actually carry real consequences for the false claimant (including eventually losing the right to file takedown notices without suing and winning first). Furthermore, that should also cover any similar system implemented by platforms, such as false uploads to a ContentID database, or false use of manual claims.

But yeah, there are a lot of changes/reforms that really ought to be made to US copyright law, to better match what people actually expect the law to be.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

#685
post #164

The forks still seem to be borked, hopefully they will get resolved. My fork[0] is still showing DMCA notice and shows that it's a fork of some repo I'm sure I never forked, I forked the original ytdl-org. [0] https://github.com/ozburo/youtube-dl

FWIW: My fork is now back up -- I got a friendly support email from GitHub, and based on their suggestion I opened a support ticket to have them delete my current fork/url and then I simply reforked the original repo.

I guess this is best outcome one could expect from dealing with such a situation xD

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

#686
post #156
post #131

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That won't work, because Youtube applies the particular sort of protection that those tests exercise only to copyrighted music.

Just about all music you can find online is copyrighted. I think you mean that it applies the protection only to music where the copyright is held by a large organization.

Yes, yes, it was short for "registered with Youtube's copyright filter".
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