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Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Post by fermienrico »

kelnos wrote: post #559
fermienrico wrote: post #480

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I respectfully disagree in my case. I don't consider myself a security expert at anything, especially at computers. This is probably 99.999% of the Apple customers. People like yourself can probably manage their own security, have a secure NAS, multiple firewalls, etc. Do you see it from the perspective of average Joe (or me)?

That's fine, but you're telling everyone else that, because you personally are not willing to take responsibility for the security of your devices, it's ok for a corporation to dictate that no one is. This doesn't need to be an either/or situation. You can outsource your security and privacy decisions to Apple while simultaneously allowing others to take full control of their devices.

No, that's not a fair take. I am saying that everyone is probably more akin to not knowing a darn thing about security (outside of HN caccoon) than people who are commenting here to setup their own security infrastructure.

Given the conditions of how ignorant large percentage (~ 99.999%) of the Apple customers are, I would trust Apple more than any other party to keep them and myself safe.

Can you imagine third parties siphoning off data, metrics, photos, etc. without Apple safe guarding user's interest?

I would pay a lot of premium for security if I don't have to do it myself.

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Post by concordDance »

skissane wrote: post #584
the_jeremy wrote: post #575

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A direct quote of RMS from his website[0]: The nominee is quoted as saying that if the choice of a sexual partner were protected by the Constitution, "prostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child pornography, and even incest and pedophilia" also would be. He is probably mistaken, legally--but that is unfortunate. All of these acts should be legal as long as no one is coerced. They are illegal…

A much more recent quote from his website[0]: 14 September 2019 (Sex between an adult and a child is wrong) Many years ago I posted that I could not see anything wrong about sex between an adult and a child, if the child accepted it. Through personal conversations in recent years, I've learned to understand how sex with a child can harm per psychologically. This changed my mind about the matter: I think adults should…

> Stallman's former view on this was always wrong.

Norms change and any norm that has been the opposite way for most of history probably won't stick around long term (unless current norms get enshrined in seed AI code or something). Give it a few decades and various forms of pedophilic behaviour (such as non-penetrative consensual (not in the current legal sense) masturbation of children) will go back to being politely ignored.

Whether that is a good thing I can't say...

I think it's more likely that anal sex will be considered wrong in 50 years than that the above actions will be considered wrong in 50 years.

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Post by nouveaux »

vlod wrote: post #676

Wouldn't it be REALLY interesting if Unity stood by Epic? i.e. if Epic is forced to stop making games, Unity will no longer support our engine on Mac either. This I think would put a huge dent in games on the Mac platform. I wonder if Apple would change their mind?

It would be interesting but why would they?

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Post by nxc18 »

strbean wrote: post #529
themacguffinman wrote: post #444

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Are you sure? iOS is something like half the US market and its userbase is likely more wealthy on average, I don't think any normal game developer could sacrifice that to keep using what is essentially an implementation detail at the end of the day, no matter how good it is.

How many kids with iPhones will now insist that their next phone be Android so they can play Forkknife? This could genuinely make a dent in the iPhone's market share long term. edit: Count on the irrational fanbois to deliver drive-by downvotes!

You’re getting downvoted because those kids with iPhones talk to kids with google phones and would know that Fortnight isn’t available there either, because Epic is also starting shit with Google simultaneously.

Edit: also it’s in bad taste to discuss downvotes on HN

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Post by m463 »

shirakawasuna wrote: post #603
StevePerkins wrote: post #567

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He has expressed skepticism that "willing participation" in pedophilia harms children. And given a couple of bizarre quotes on bestiality (essentially, "if the animal initiates it then what's the problem?"). More recently, he was pushed out of MIT and the FSF last year for questioning whether one of Jeffrey Epstein's victims was truly a victim or not. He prefers Emacs over Vim. There are probably other examples, but…

> He prefers Emacs over Vim He's a monster.

Well, at least he didn't create emacs. ;)

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Post by montagg »

tapoxi wrote: post #298
donarb wrote: post #162

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Microsoft can fire game developers from Xbox.

Xbox isn't central to modern life like a smartphone is. Also, the game consoles use a razor/blades model, they're sold at a loss and make money through the sale of games. Smartphones are not sold at a loss.

You might be correct, from an ethical perspective, but this isn’t the way US antitrust law works today.

If different rules should be applied to companies that are essential to modern life, such as classifying them as essential services, that should be a new law that’s explicit about the qualifications, gets debated, and has to reconcile the tradeoffs inherent in that classification. It should definitely not be something defined by a court of law (and it’s unlikely to be in this case).

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Post by m463 »

grishka wrote: post #635
dreamcompiler wrote: post #506

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> On a device I own... And that's the issue. The overwhelming body of evidence in recent years suggests Apple does not consider the devices they make to be "yours." Rather, their attitude seems to be that those devices forever belong to Apple, and Apple simply allows you to pay for the privilege of using them.

Why didn't they make it a subscription at this point? Pay $100 per month, or your iPhone would lock and demand that you return it to an Apple Store.

Too overt. Why not just keep slowing it down until it compares poorly and you upgrade to the new snappier version?

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Post by montagg »

mantap wrote: post #68
TylerE wrote: post #8

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Companies shouldn't be allowed to fire customers that blatantly break rules the customer agreed to?

Usually when you fire a customer they can go to one of your competitors. This just proves Epic's argument. There is no competing App Store on iOS because it's not allowed. If Apple "fires" you then your users can no longer install the app onto their own phones. Imagine if Microsoft "fired" Adobe and as a result nobody could install Photoshop on Windows anymore.

That’s pretty core to any anti-trust argument that is built on monopoly: is the iOS market distinct from the smartphone and tablet markets?

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Post by threeseed »

mantap wrote: post #579
threeseed wrote: post #495

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Given that there are lawsuits in place pretty sure they aren't going to lie about it. Question is how serious the multiple infractions are.

It's possible for one action to violate the terms in multiple ways. They probably mean the following two: 1) not giving Apple their 30% 2) publishing code without prior approval by Apple

I don't think you understand how the App Store works.

You simply can't pay Apple the 30% cut nor can you publish apps without Apple approving it. So it's impossible for a company to violate either of those.

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Post by m463 »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #582
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #573

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> You need to know what to google for to find the right magic incantation to enter into the macOS terminal. You right click it and select “Open”... Almost all MacOS users even the non-technical types encounter this at some point unless they go 100% Mac App Store which almost no one does if they have a job.

I tested this just now on my Mac and “right-click -> Open” on an untrusted .app gave me the same warning message with no obvious way to force-open the app.

At first, it was "are you sure". Then later versions of macos wanted right-click open. Newer ones ... I don't even know.

I gave up on catalina when I couldn't install little snitch without a network connection.

(Apparently there's a way, but I don't know it - it wasn't csrutil)

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