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Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by JSavageOne »

dijit wrote: post #88
hartator wrote: post #84

Not even mentioning they are playing a dangerous censorhip game, it's very weird that they pick the WHO over the CDC after all the WHO controversies. (Taiwan, slow COVID-19 response, alignment with China lines, head of WHO was part of the corrupt Ethiopian government, $200M in business class travel, and probably more scandals.) CDC has also a way bigger budget than the WHO. $11.1B vs $4.2B. Ref: - https://en.wikipedi…

The majority of WHO controversies are made up, the WHO are not a political entity so they do not want to comment at all on political issues; and whatever you want to say about Taiwan it is a very heated political situation. That's also the evidence of "alignment with china": because we in the west see a failure to recognise taiwan as siding with china. Which is odd because the USA doesn't officially recognise Taiwan…

> the WHO are not a political entity so they do not want to comment at all on political issues;

The WHO is very much a political entity in the pockets of the Chinese Communist Party. There's a difference between refusing to comment on Taiwan and pretending like Taiwan doesn't exist.

Ignoring the political aspect, they've dealt with this crisis terribly, being slow to respond and giving downright false advice like telling people not to wear masks.

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Post by buzzerbetrayed »

freeMoneySry wrote: post #626
stcredzero wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I fear there isn't "one truth" out there, despite the content providers' and fact-checkers' attempts :( The idea is: "We are the decent, good, people who know the truth. Now we control the platforms, so it's only well and good we control the information, and we tell the deplorable others what they can and can't say." Almost everyone in the history books as a horrible oppressor has told themselves that narrative. Many…

Apple has lived on this motto. Google is joining them.

How exactly do you figure? Google has built a company around it deciding what information gets to be seen. They’ve done this for decades. Apple sells computer hardware. Even if Apple has recently started curating information, they still only curate a fraction of a percent of what Google does.

Suggesting that Apple has historically been at fault here and that Google is now just joining them sounds incredibly biased.

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Post by valtism »

kauffj wrote: post #190

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Post by philliphaydon »

ci5er wrote: post #394
colmvp wrote: post #76

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In Canada for months we followed WHO's directions to a tee and ended up rapid growth of infections until we did a 180 and implemented nearly every measure that the WHO disagreed with. Taiwan is one of the few countries to have very few cases, and they essentially did a lot of measures the WHO did not recommend initially.

Taiwan is an interesting case. They are not recognized as, really anything, except part of "One China" by the UN. Anyway - WHO wouldn't talk to them, even when they asked nicely. But they, like HK (and Vietnam, and SG and I don't know who else) are part of the "China is asshoe" club (i.e. the TW believe that the Chinese government will always lie and obfuscate, true or not), and had pretty direct experience with SARS…

Richard Dawkins recently said that HK is doing well because it followed the recommendations of the WHO.

Which is literally not the case. They wore masks, and protested to get borders closed to non-citizens asap. If the citizens had not taken things into their own hands I fear they wouldn't be in such a good position as they are now.

The WHO needs to be dismantled. china has far too much influential power in the WHO. There should be 0 politics within the WHO, no pandering to the ccp. They should exist to help everyone in the world during an outbreak like this.

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Post by SentientBinary »

dijit wrote: post #317
tartrate wrote: post #305

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> The majority of WHO controversies are made up If you don't mind me asking, could you please provide the source for one WHO controversy that is made up? Preferably one of the large ones, if applicable.

Well, the majority of the issues seem to stem from the 'pro-china' stance which, aside from one persons fumbling reply has no real basis. The journalist was a bit of a poison pill there asking an intentionally loaded question. The WHO doesn't recognise Taiwan because the U.N doesn't. Not because of China. Here's a bit of "Why" the WHO doesn't recognise Taiwan: https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/why-does-who-exclude-taiwan…

If you want to get into the details. The United Nations does not recognize Taiwan entirely because it is in the interest of China, China's strategic funding of the United Nations, and their institutional power they have as a security council member with Veto power. No other country has an interest in China claiming Taiwan isn't a country. Which it is by all means, they have their own government, land, culture, etc. They are not a part of China, it is just used a source of legitimacy for the commonly threatened and strategic takeover the CCP talks about.

So the UN does not recognize Taiwan because of China.

It is naive to say that China does not influence these international organizations for political gain. In fact anyone who studies international politics academically would acknowledge that every country who participates in these international organization uses them to gain political influence. I would argue that they exist primarily for political influence, instead of their intended goal; I mean the UN did leave a country right when a genocide started so they didn't have to deal pay to deal with it, among countless examples of it being used for international legitimacy at any cost.

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Post by busymom0 »

xster wrote: post #587
busymom0 wrote: post #564

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You are proving my very point. The twitter email you linked specifically says "atypical pneumonia". > In China, the term “atypical pneumonia” is commonly used to refer to SARS, a disease transmitted between humans caused by coronavirus. "transmitted between humans" - what WHO claimed does not happen even though Taiwan warned them about it. > patients had been isolated for treatment That's also referring to the human-…

I'm afraid this is another goalpost shift. Remember we started with > recognize Taiwan as a sevreign nation I'm then responding to your > Taiwan emailed WHO in December warning about China lying about the human-to-human transmission Very bold statements. If you're saying that the WHO should have changed their January 14 statement from "there are no clear evidence of human to human transmission" to "there are clear ev…

You keep saying I am moving the goalpost but I am not. My original comment was in reply to the last statement where you said:

> "spearhead tectonic geopolitical changes because the corporate media tells you so"

and I was merely pointing out that the HK media is the one which pointed out how WHO ignored Taiwan's warning. Then you went around stating I "don't bother with primary sources or critical thinking" which is just a silly ad hom attack and not worthy on HN. I almost always read the primary source and that's exactly what I had done with the Taiwan vs WHO thing. I don't just watch the media and believe everything they say, I have seen too many examples of them not reporting the facts. Also I haven't even seen much coverage of the Taiwan situation in the western media so I have no idea how you are making that conclusion. Most of the western media is too busy defending China anyway.

> then I suppose there aren't really anything anyone can say that'll be of interest to you

Considering you think the Taiwan's email wasn't enough to justify a different statement from WHO than parroting China's talking points, why do you think WHO lied about them never receiving any correspondence from Taiwan warning about human-to-human transmission?

Also maybe calling people names and thinking you are somehow better than the person you are interacting with is a tactic you wish to employ though I don't think it's suited for HN discussions. Let's not resort to that.

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Post by philliphaydon »

jtgeibel wrote: post #403
sneak wrote: post #350

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You can constrain your statements to only objectively true things and still be confusing and ambiguous. This is a perfect example of that. It warrants criticism.

I've probably seen this tweet 50 times now in the last week. Before that, not even once. It's easy to criticize now with 3 months of additional information and to cherry pick an instance of a few hundred characters out of all the statements the WHO has made. 99% of the criticism of this tweet that I've seen so far comes nowhere near the nuanced criticism you make here. In aggregate, the level of criticism this tweet…

I've watched criticism of that tweet since the day they posted it. Luckily Taiwan and HK ignored the WHO. And alot of people in Singapore also ignored and have been wearing masks since Jan.
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