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Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing?

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Re: Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing?

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Post by dkonofalski »

Fnoord wrote: post #676
dkonofalski wrote: post #675

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love that you continue to double down on your responses that keep, repeatedly, missing the point.

I love that you keep saying I miss the point, without providing substance why I do. We clearly disagree, repeatedly, as you'd put it. What you do is, repeatedly, waving away my arguments as irrelevant, by ignoring them and saying I "miss the point". Like that is going to convince me? FWIW, I never used the original iPhone for a long period of time, but I did use the iPod Touch, and I did have usability issues with it…

Because nothing that you've offered as a counter-argument has anything to do with how simple it was to use the device. The vast majority of users, at the time the iPhone came out, didn't care about "App Stores" or ad-blocking or anything else and none of those things detracted from the simplicity of the device.

Unless you have some kind of argument that actually addresses the premise that the iPhone was successful because it was the easiest smartphone on the market to use and had high discoverability, you're going to keep missing the point by responding with features that you wish it had when it launched.

Re: Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing?

#682

Post by Fnoord »

dkonofalski wrote: post #681
Fnoord wrote: post #676

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love that you keep saying I miss the point, without providing substance why I do. We clearly disagree, repeatedly, as you'd put it. What you do is, repeatedly, waving away my arguments as irrelevant, by ignoring them and saying I "miss the point". Like that is going to convince me? FWIW, I never used the original iPhone for a long period of time, but I did use the iPod Touch, and I did have usability issues with it…

Because nothing that you've offered as a counter-argument has anything to do with how simple it was to use the device. The vast majority of users, at the time the iPhone came out, didn't care about "App Stores" or ad-blocking or anything else and none of those things detracted from the simplicity of the device. Unless you have some kind of argument that actually addresses the premise that the iPhone was successful be…

The vast majority of users of Apple products don't care about feature X, until the Apple product gets such feature. Then, suddenly, due to some magic miracle, these features do matter. We're talking about basic functionality the current devices had such as capability-based security, App Store, ad blocking, cut and paste.

The only major innovation the iPhone was using, was a capacitive touch UI. iOS wasn't polished, as it lacked many basic features. Yet the UI was good enough and simple to use. Nothing I wrote here above is in contradiction with each other. The only thing you appear to disagree on is the importance of these missing features. If they had these features from the beginning, perhaps Apple would've released too late, and the market would be saturated already (as touchscreen devices were coming to the masses regardless).

Re: Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing?

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Post by C1sc0cat »

toasterlovin wrote: post #678
C1sc0cat wrote: post #671

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But a 1000$ iPhone is not that much better than a < $200 Motorola G , this is from some one who is considering a single port USB hub just to isolate a USB DAC from the.

The processor is way faster. And the camera is probably way better (and still not anywhere near good enough, FWIW). Maybe you just don’t care about those features?

What does a faster processor give me ? and I have an entry level cannon DSLR if I want a better camera

Re: Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing?

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Post by hellllllllooo »

excitom wrote: post #257
hellllllllooo wrote: post #146

Most profitable company in the tech world creates new product and uses prior manufacturing skill, brand awareness/loyalty, device lock-in, advertising experience and retail channels to sell it and makes more profit that arbitrary list of companies in different business areas. What's the point?

Based on the lively discussion generated in this thread - because it's interesting.

Sure. But it's hardly suprising nor is it a useful comparison to say airpods make more revenue than Twitter.

Re: Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing?

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Post by Fnoord »

toasterlovin wrote: post #678
C1sc0cat wrote: post #671

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But a 1000$ iPhone is not that much better than a < $200 Motorola G , this is from some one who is considering a single port USB hub just to isolate a USB DAC from the.

The processor is way faster. And the camera is probably way better (and still not anywhere near good enough, FWIW). Maybe you just don’t care about those features?

> And the camera is probably way better (and still not anywhere near good enough, FWIW)

The camera on a $1000 iPhone is not good enough? For what? For whom? The cameras on mid range smartphones are amazing, these days. A $150 China phone or $250 West phone is great these days. It is basically adequate for a whole lot of use cases, including normal day to day usage.

Re: Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing?

#686

Post by toasterlovin »

Fnoord wrote: post #685
toasterlovin wrote: post #678

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The processor is way faster. And the camera is probably way better (and still not anywhere near good enough, FWIW). Maybe you just don’t care about those features?

> And the camera is probably way better (and still not anywhere near good enough, FWIW) The camera on a $1000 iPhone is not good enough? For what? For whom? The cameras on mid range smartphones are amazing, these days. A $150 China phone or $250 West phone is great these days. It is basically adequate for a whole lot of use cases, including normal day to day usage.

The camera on the new phones are amazing, but nowhere near good enough. I think the bar for good enough is that every photo a regular person takes is an objectively great photo. People use these cameras to capture important moments in their lives. Important moments deserve great photos. Computational photography has gotten us much closer to that, but there is still a long way to go.

Re: Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing?

#687

Post by toasterlovin »

C1sc0cat wrote: post #683
toasterlovin wrote: post #678

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The processor is way faster. And the camera is probably way better (and still not anywhere near good enough, FWIW). Maybe you just don’t care about those features?

What does a faster processor give me ? and I have an entry level cannon DSLR if I want a better camera

Your preferences != other people's preferences. Most people prefer things to be faster. And most people do not own or (if they do) carry a DSLR. Phone cameras are important.

Re: Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing?

#688

Post by Fnoord »

toasterlovin wrote: post #686
Fnoord wrote: post #685

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And the camera is probably way better (and still not anywhere near good enough, FWIW) The camera on a $1000 iPhone is not good enough? For what? For whom? The cameras on mid range smartphones are amazing, these days. A $150 China phone or $250 West phone is great these days. It is basically adequate for a whole lot of use cases, including normal day to day usage.

The camera on the new phones are amazing, but nowhere near good enough. I think the bar for good enough is that every photo a regular person takes is an objectively great photo. People use these cameras to capture important moments in their lives. Important moments deserve great photos. Computational photography has gotten us much closer to that, but there is still a long way to go.

To capture important moments in their life, people have used worse quality in the past. The quality is going only up and up. When is good good enough? It has been good enough for me for quite a few years already (although always JPEG being compressed, so loss of details from get go).

Also, smartphones with multiple cameras are, in a way, unrealistic. There's quite some lack of realism in today's cameras, akin to autotune.

It is also not possible to take an objectively great photo. Everyone has different biases, interests, quality thresholds, etc. See e.g. [1] for a (result of a) blind test.

[1] https://tweakers.net/reviews/7566/blinde-test-smartphonecame...

Re: Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing?

#689

Post by dkonofalski »

Fnoord wrote: post #682
dkonofalski wrote: post #681

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because nothing that you've offered as a counter-argument has anything to do with how simple it was to use the device. The vast majority of users, at the time the iPhone came out, didn't care about "App Stores" or ad-blocking or anything else and none of those things detracted from the simplicity of the device. Unless you have some kind of argument that actually addresses the premise that the iPhone was successful be…

The vast majority of users of Apple products don't care about feature X, until the Apple product gets such feature. Then, suddenly, due to some magic miracle, these features do matter. We're talking about basic functionality the current devices had such as capability-based security, App Store, ad blocking, cut and paste. The only major innovation the iPhone was using, was a capacitive touch UI. iOS wasn't polished, a…

Ok. We're done here. You seem to have tripled-down despite multiple people pointing out that you've missed the point and nothing you've stated is an argument against it.

Re: Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing?

#690

Post by Fnoord »

dkonofalski wrote: post #689
Fnoord wrote: post #682

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The vast majority of users of Apple products don't care about feature X, until the Apple product gets such feature. Then, suddenly, due to some magic miracle, these features do matter. We're talking about basic functionality the current devices had such as capability-based security, App Store, ad blocking, cut and paste. The only major innovation the iPhone was using, was a capacitive touch UI. iOS wasn't polished, a…

Ok. We're done here. You seem to have tripled-down despite multiple people pointing out that you've missed the point and nothing you've stated is an argument against it.

We were already done 4 days ago.
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