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Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by bpicolo »

ngcazz wrote: post #509
jarym wrote: post #418

Stupid Apple - I blame Schiller. They won’t support 32Gb ram because it might decrease battery life and requires them to reengineer the logic board but they’re totally cool with a fragile ass keyboard GLUED to a battery! Really there’s no way to call this anything other than insanity. I remember the media used to talk about the ‘halo effect’ - well I’m someone who has Almost every MBP between 2002-2012 and every iPho…

The Apple I want figures out how you put 32GB RAM in a thin laptop while preserving battery life!

Probably would help if they freed up space and battery life by not having a totally unnecessary second screen taking up the top row of the keyboard.

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by School-Cotton »

lgbr wrote: post #310
School-Cotton wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> zcat in particular just doesn't work ? I used `zcat` on macOS just today. What issue do you have with it?

The issue with Apple's unix environment is that it comes with BSD tools. A lot of functionality that you'd expect to work doesn't end up working, which can be frustrating. You have to go through some pretty annoying steps [1], which are more involved than the steps required to get a Linux environment on Windows [2]. 1: https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/69223/how-to-repla... 2: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us…

The zcat that comes with macOS works fine.

Learning how to use the BSD tools is not that hard.

Also, you mean GNU environment I guess, not Linux environment.

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by protonimitate »

roystonvassey wrote: post #586

I am a huge fan of Apple's products and never understood the fuss when the new Pro Keyboard attracted bad press, reading it on my old, robust pre-2015 era Macbook. Until now. I got the new one at my job three months back. And, here I am, still struggling with and super annoyed with the missed keystrokes (the buttons are so thin/don't press properly), the almost non-existent 'Enter' keys (seriously, who messes with th…

Does anyone have any insight into why Apple's QA took a turn for the worse over the past couple years?

Buggy IOS/OS releases and now the hardware issues... I always equated Apple with quality and consistency (along with price), but now I can't really see how the price is justified with the issues they have been having.

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by scruffyherder »

I have a MacBook 2012 with the same crappy butterfly keyboard that I barely use as I can't stand it.

I wanted to practice soldering and I picked up a TiBook from a junker, and somehow by just stripping it down, and cleaning it up I got it working. So I put it together, and I hate to say it, but for a 2000-2001 design I love it more than any new laptop I have.

The keys have enough travel to feel like a keyboard, the monitor is nice and big, and it feels like such a nice machine. Granted with only 512MB of Ram, and a 500Mhz G4 it's not going to be anything useful today, but It's such a damned shame that it feels so ergonomically nice.

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Post by TomVDB »

pc86 wrote: post #655
virtuabhi wrote: post #649

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So true. Earlier in meetings we can go about silently browsing or replying to emails. But now the keyboard is so loud that we have to apologize to the speaker!

Or the alternative, paying attention.

You’re making the bold assumption that there is anything being said that is worth paying attention to.

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Post by bogomipz »

eecc wrote: post #468
jarym wrote: post #418

Stupid Apple - I blame Schiller. They won’t support 32Gb ram because it might decrease battery life and requires them to reengineer the logic board but they’re totally cool with a fragile ass keyboard GLUED to a battery! Really there’s no way to call this anything other than insanity. I remember the media used to talk about the ‘halo effect’ - well I’m someone who has Almost every MBP between 2002-2012 and every iPho…

Technically no, not exactly. It’s intel’s fault. Their damn architectures won’t support DDR4LP - that’s the low power variant - because they’ve become complacent. Also the lack of PCIe lanes forced Apples’s hand on USBc only design, although it’s such a daft choice they should’ve just gone with 2 TB ports and keep the other “legacy” available. But no, they had to brag about dual 4K external monitors to it had to be 4…

>"Also the lack of PCIe lanes forced Apples’s hand on USBc only design,"

Can you elaborate on this? Is this related to DDR4LP? Is there a connection?

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by inetknght »

protonimitate wrote: post #684
roystonvassey wrote: post #586

I am a huge fan of Apple's products and never understood the fuss when the new Pro Keyboard attracted bad press, reading it on my old, robust pre-2015 era Macbook. Until now. I got the new one at my job three months back. And, here I am, still struggling with and super annoyed with the missed keystrokes (the buttons are so thin/don't press properly), the almost non-existent 'Enter' keys (seriously, who messes with th…

Does anyone have any insight into why Apple's QA took a turn for the worse over the past couple years? Buggy IOS/OS releases and now the hardware issues... I always equated Apple with quality and consistency (along with price), but now I can't really see how the price is justified with the issues they have been having.

Try having a QA department keep up with bugs when the culture changes to move fast and break things

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Post by zephyrfalcon »

ericcholis wrote: post #642
roystonvassey wrote: post #586

I am a huge fan of Apple's products and never understood the fuss when the new Pro Keyboard attracted bad press, reading it on my old, robust pre-2015 era Macbook. Until now. I got the new one at my job three months back. And, here I am, still struggling with and super annoyed with the missed keystrokes (the buttons are so thin/don't press properly), the almost non-existent 'Enter' keys (seriously, who messes with th…

Each one of these concerns is making me clutch to my early Macbook Air. I'm terrified to upgrade. In fact, a colleague recently purchased a Macbook Pro and I steered them clear of the touchbar.

The (later) MacBook Air keyboard has similar problems (to the ones described in the article). My previous MBA had keys that stopped working after a year. And you cannot easily replace the keys without breaking them. :(

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Post by pas »

nkkollaw wrote: post #330
deathanatos wrote: post #170

> [Apple quietly announced][1] that they were extending the warranty on their flagship laptop’s keyboard by four years. No, they didn't. If you read the very source the article cites for this, you find, > The program covers eligible MacBook and MacBook Pro models for 4 years after the first retail sale of the unit. The original warranty was 1 year[2]; this is a three year extension. "Extending by 4 years" is just too…

In Europe minimum mandatory warranty is 2 years.

Could you link to some explanatory source for that?
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