So who's going to jail for this murder?
Tempe Police Release Video of Uber Accident
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#683Ethical question for HN...
Certainly, some team of engineers is tasked with analyzing the cause of this failure and providing potential solutions for future releases. What is the best way to do this without trivializing the fact that a human life was lost? Does anyone have experience with analyzing the aftermath of some event which caused death?
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#684Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's clear from the video that a human driver actually would've had more trouble since the pedestrian showed up in the field of view right before the collision, yet that's in the visible spectrum. That's not at all clear to me. I don't know too much about cameras, but it looks to me like the camera is making the scene appear much darker than it actually is. In the video, you can see many street lights projecting down…
The actual spot it happened has a bike lane, and crosswalk sidewalk by it [1]. [1] https://goo.gl/maps/gpugzAZKxcS2
Not only is there no crossing here, but a sign forbidding pedestrian crossing. (Look at the left side of the road.)
The sign directs people to use a crossing, which is some 100 meters away at the lights around the bend.
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#685How did LIDAR and IR not catch that? That seems like a pretty serious problem. It's clear from the video that a human driver actually would've had more trouble since the pedestrian showed up in the field of view right before the collision, yet that's in the visible spectrum. When I argue for automated driving (as a casual observer), I tell people about exactly this sort of stuff (a computer can look in 20 places at t…
totally agree. I've seen crash detection catch an impending crash two cars ahead of the car in front of the car watching.
If that crash detection can detect shit going on two cars ahead why couldn't LIDAR see that?
having said that. wth was she doing?
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#687Direct link: https://twitter.com/TempePolice/status/976585098542833664 The interior view tells you everything you need to know about why anything except perfection in self driving cars will lead to more accidents. The driver specially selected and trained for exactly this job, does not look at the road! If someone specially trained for that won't do it, the general public certainly will not. Also, in the video you ca…
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#688This was not what I was expecting. If this had been an accident with a normal vehicle, I think the driver would have been found to be at least partially at fault, and guilty of involuntary manslaughter. But I'm not a lawyer. I thought the victim jumped out into the street, but that clearly isn't the case. The pedestrian always has the right of way, a human would have seen her and slowed and swerved, and no one should…
> The pedestrian always has the right of way
That's a very common misconception, but in fact in the majority of states in the US vehicles have the right of way on roads over pedestrians outside of marked crosswalks and crosswalks at an intersection [1].
I think this misconception arises because many people overestimate what privileges and protections having the right of way confers. Some people seem to think having it means that you can go come hell or high water, no matter what the people who are supposed to yield are doing.
It is not nearly as powerful as that.
All that having the right of way actually means is that others that want to use the same resource as you are supposed to let you go first. If they ignore that and try to go ahead of you, it doesn't mean you can unsafely force your way ahead of them.
For example, if I'm standing beside a highway, nowhere near an intersection or a marked crosswalk, looking toward the other side clearly wanting to cross, the cars have the right of way in most states. I'm supposed to wait until there is a gap in the traffic sufficient to let me cross safely.
If no such gap comes and I start to step out into the street the cars have to stop even though they have the right of way. If police witness this they can ticket me for something like "failure to yield".
[1] http://www.ncsl.org/research/transportation/pedestrian-cross...
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#689The bicycle is visible in the video during 0:01/0:22. The glint of the reflector appears when there are two full white divider lines between the camera and the victim.
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#690As expected, when there's a death, there will be overreaction. I'm surprised the Hacker News crowd is part of it.