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Re: Sublime Text 3.0

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Post by geoelectric »

tombusby wrote: post #651
geoelectric wrote: post #565

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Weird, it was the first thing I installed after installing 3.0 as a new install. Wonder if it's an update issue in particular.

It's an update issue, I'm talking to a fair few people who had the same issue on a GitHub issue. I have resolved it now. This update appears to have broken a lot of plugins.

Sorry, bad wording on my part. By update issue I meant something where you had to have the version already installed prior to updating, vs. a fresh install (which worked for me).

Re: Sublime Text 3.0

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Post by mjmein »

coldtea wrote: post #643
mjmein wrote: post #599

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That's actually a pretty good barrier to entry. With emacs/spacemacs, if installing it is too frustrating for you, then configuring and using it is going to be way too frustrating for you.

Yes. And god forbid it plays out of the box end to end with configuration/elisp being totally optional.

My opinion is that emacs/spacemacs is more optimized for day to day work, than for the out of box experience. Personally, I'm fine with that, and there are some great editors (like sublime) that work out of the box if you prefer that.

However, the people generally working with/on emacs are not looking for that, they are looking for an editor optimized for customisation. They have already gone through the experience of setting it up, so why would they spend most of their time making it easier out of the box?

There is a cost to everything, and so far most people on emacs side have decided to spend their time on improving it's power, not it's ease of use.

Re: Sublime Text 3.0

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Post by newscracker »

mstade wrote: post #70

I honestly can't believe I'm saying this, but: can you please enable me to buy a new license for 4.0 even though it may not even be on the road map yet? Or switch to / enable a subscriber model which is paid yearly and gives access to all upgrades? I rely so much on sublime for my day to day work and I fear the $80 or whatever I paid for it whenever ago is too cheap for the amount of value I'm getting out of it, and…

I agree on the point that useful software/service providers must have a sustainable business model, but I see your point about $80 being too cheap as just one data point (not that you were claiming otherwise, and you did appreciate the value that you get). There are many people for whom spending $80 every few years may be a bigger burden too. Subscriptions, without significantly lower per year prices, also favor the ones for whom these aspects don't matter as much.

I just wanted to put these points across since a single price probably may not well serve all user classes and the developer/company.

Re: Sublime Text 3.0

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Post by skocznymroczny »

hasenj wrote: post #591
ythn wrote: post #141

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I prefer VSCode if the hardware can handle it, but otherwise Sublime is my goto. If Sublime ever had as good Git support as VSCode I would permanently switch back to Sublime

I prefer VSCode mostly for the intellisense/auto-complete. As far as git is concerned, I use it from the command line an cannot understand why anyone would want to interact with git from VSCode or any other text editor.

I don't know if these editors support it, but being able to access git blame from editor is convenient, also the editor can highlight all the changes you've done since the last revision (especially useful to hunt down unnecessary whitespace changes).

Re: Sublime Text 3.0

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Post by nf05papsjfVbc »

mollusk wrote: post #100
nf05papsjfVbc wrote: post #44

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and emacs (I use both) but not everyone is able to see how good they are, unfortunately.

Just curious, how can you use both? Isn't muscle memory an obstacle when switching between them?

I mostly use emacs (having moved to it relatively recently) but fall back to vim when editing/viewing a small single file. On the odd occasion I do hit the wrong keys from misplaced muscle memory (and in vim a bunch of things could happen quickly) but usually I still have the Vim muscle memory and can manage. My main driver is emacs though.

Re: Sublime Text 3.0

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Post by sleepyhead »

nkkollaw wrote: post #677
sleepyhead wrote: post #659

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It's cheap. I use it ten hours every day. It costs less than I would charge for an hour of consulting. Ok so I do live in one of the most expensive countries in the world but even in a developing country a developer don't have to work long to pay for this license for a tool they would use a lot every day.

It's not cheap compared to other software, and not cheap compared to most text editors and even most IDEs. I didn't say it's not worth it, I said it's not cheap. It's not.

Less than one hour working time for the core software used when developing is cheap.

A lot of software is very under priced in terms of value. The App Store and SaaS copycats pricing doesn't reflect the value or the cost of software - you need big volumes and many go bust due to no profits.

I paid for ST2 in 2012. Five years later the upgrade price is only $30. Should have been more.

Re: Sublime Text 3.0

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Post by mstade »

Beltiras wrote: post #173
yoodenvranx wrote: post #161

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What about the idea to sell 'silver/gold/diamond supporter' licences for 100/200/300$ to people who _really_ love your software? I am not even talking about adding some special features, just enable people to pay more than the normal price and perhaps just add a nice 'Thanks for your extra support' badge to the 'Info' menu.

Buy licenses and donate to your local high school.

This is great, I will have my accountant look into how I can do this. Thanks for the suggestion!

Re: Sublime Text 3.0

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Post by mstade »

mstade wrote: post #70

I honestly can't believe I'm saying this, but: can you please enable me to buy a new license for 4.0 even though it may not even be on the road map yet? Or switch to / enable a subscriber model which is paid yearly and gives access to all upgrades? I rely so much on sublime for my day to day work and I fear the $80 or whatever I paid for it whenever ago is too cheap for the amount of value I'm getting out of it, and…

So many nasty replies. :o(

(Some pretty great replies too – thanks!)

I'm not a ST dev, I have no financial interests in ST becoming more expensive or changing to a (for the company) more lucrative business model. I have tried alternative editors, anything from vi and emacs to VSCode and Atom, but nothing hits the marks for me as ST does. It has – in my opinion – great UX, its speed and efficiency is unmatched in the GUI editor space, and my favorite feature: it has rock solid buffer persistence.

I can't tell how many times ST has saved me from system crashes and just me being an idiot and restarting everything before saving anything, or removing a file but ST keeping a buffer. I've come to rely on this, and it's rock solid. Not once in the years since I started using it (I believe I bought my first license in 2012) have I encountered a situation where ST lost my data. I've never experienced this with any other editor (I'm sure vi and emacs can do this, but in years of trying, I can't come to grips with their UX – they're just not for me) and this feature alone has paid for the price of admission for me, many many times over.

In short – I don't care that there are FOSS alternatives. I don't care that there are alternatives that are "better" by some measure. Until they can match these three things, in increasing order of importance, they will never compete with ST for me:

- Great UX

- Speed and efficieny

- Rock solid buffer persistance, even for unsaved files

Someone in this thread suggested I buy licenses and donate to a local high school. I'm going to seriously look into this as a viable way to both support the company producing ST, as well as hopefully enabling kids to learn programming, or write novels, or whatever they want to do with the software.

Re: Sublime Text 3.0

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Post by nmblackburn »

sleepyhead wrote: post #564
pretzel wrote: post #501

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> and would gladly pay the same amount again. Looks like I'm going to have to. Only free upgrades to people to bought after 2013...

Which is very generous. It's FOUR years ago!

That is when the BETA builds started, you effectively pre-ordered it if you bought a license at that point in time.

Re: Sublime Text 3.0

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Post by koenpunt »

skinnymuch wrote: post #189

For people on Mac, which plugins make Sublime better than current Textmate? I've never switched from it just because, but wouldn't mind switching or paying.

I you care about a decent file manager in your editor, nothing tops TextMate 2. For me that at least is one of the reasons I'm still using TextMate. Although it's sad to see that a lot of bundles move away from the TextMate format, but are continued to be developed for Sublime, Atom, VSCode, etc...
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