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Re: Essential Phone, available now

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Post by ryanlol »

throwaway613834 wrote: post #679
ryanlol wrote: post #678

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If there's a serious vulnerability that actually needs your attention, you will read about it in the news No, this is fucking stupid. Most security related bugs get zero visibility, Linux for example still has a policy to quietly patch them.

> No, this is fucking stupid. Well, now I'm definitely convinced... > Most security related bugs get zero visibility, Linux for example still has a policy to quietly patch them. Most security bugs don't need your attention either, because they don't have widespread exploits. Read the prior comments; don't just curse in reply to a single sentence while ignoring all the prior context.

>Most security bugs don't need your attention either, because they don't have widespread exploits.

But if you do anything interesting with your life this simply isn't an useful argument.

Re: Essential Phone, available now

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Post by trmsw »

oAlbe wrote: post #674
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #671

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Has the Catholic church actually said that, or are you perhaps confusing them with another group?

I grew up in a Catholic family, that's what they teach you in catechism. They also teach you that the universe was created in literally seven days. But if you keep your chain of asking "how?" long enough before they yell at you, they'll also tell you that such statement is not to take "literally".

YMMV - I was raised a Catholic and never got any literalist stuff about creation, or nonsense about dinosaur bones being planted to confuse us. Nor is it in the catechism as such - there is quite enough unbelievable stuff in there as it is...

Re: Essential Phone, available now

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Post by unlmtd1 »

jedmeyers wrote: post #31
maxaf wrote: post #25

Why would I spend $700+ on a phone with a dubious fate when I can spend $230 on a Moto G5 Plus and have Lineage OS running on it in no time, for a long time?

Premium materials and true craftsmanship shouldn’t just be for the few, but for everyone (who has $700+ to spend on a phone).

Over 60 francs. Comparable to the yearly salary of a legionnaire of Rome (When they were well paid).

Re: Essential Phone, available now

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Post by Too »

jacalata wrote: post #317
throwaway613834 wrote: post #299

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What kind of support do you need for a smartphone? I've literally never even thought "maybe I should contact support" for a phone problem.

Tons of things, like "my phone is two weeks old and the battery life has halved"

1. Uninstall crap apps installed during these 2 weeks. 2. Disable or throttle background network sync.

Re: Essential Phone, available now

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Post by therealdrag0 »

werber wrote: post #382
ariofrio wrote: post #286

Give me software updates for 7+ years, then we'll talk about buying your $700 phone. Lasting hardware means nothing without lasting software. In the meanwhile, I'll keep buying $120 phones (Moto G4 with Amazon Ads FTW) and keeping them for ~2 years until they break or software updates stop. Even though as a Catholic (Laudato Si, Rerum Novarum) it kills me to waste all those materials every couple of years and be part…

I've had my current iPhone for three years and think it'll go for at least one or two more

I used an iPhone 5 for three years, but just replaced it this spring because the battery was worn down and the port was unreliable, and, mostly, I got tired of the newer OSes not performing very well :S. So I got a refurbished iPhone SE (300$) to replace it.

Re: Essential Phone, available now

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Post by therealdrag0 »

benclauss wrote: post #510
Hasz wrote: post #338

You want fixable and well designed, long software updates, and a good price? Buy an (old) iPhone. I've got a 5S -- still perfectly fast for what I use it for (email, youtube, brokerage account, general internet, some small games), and is getting OS updates and security patches until IOS11. It's $120 on eBay; a new screen can be had for $13, a new battery for $11. it's solidly designed and there's a gigantic field of…

Is it fast? I have a 6. In addition to the bulkier size, apps are often slow and the battery life is atrocious. I'm considering updating when the new iPhone releases in the fall.

I just went from a 5 to a SE and the SE handles the newer OSes much better. It's too bad, because if it wasn't for performance-hog-OSes the 5 would have been great for years to come (though after a battery swap)

Re: Essential Phone, available now

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Post by therealdrag0 »

givinguflac wrote: post #223
git-pull wrote: post #85

I admire the gumption of making a new phone. But controlled obsolescence kills me. The real feature that improves in phones the past few years for me is the software and apps, not the hardware . My wishlist: - Give me a lighter, snappier OS. Not something clunkier and slower and uses more ram, gpu/cpu (aka battery life). - Actually support updates to the things for longer than 2-3 years. - (Not related to this phone)…

I'm not trying to be snarky, I swear, but iOS checks all your boxes except "be android" along with dual sim and removable battery. And iOS hardware is still top of the pack when it comes to raw power in the majority of real use cases.

I used a iPhone 5 for 3+ years and I found that every OS update performed worse and worse. I found that frustrating. So I'm not sure it checks the box of "lighter, snappier".

I now upgraded to a refurbished SE and it's really nice so far.

Re: Essential Phone, available now

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Post by distances »

pier25 wrote: post #76

At this price, why buy this instead of a Pixel? To be honest I'm quite happy with my crap Moto G5 Plus phone. The screen and camera aren't that great, but hey at this price I won't complain.

> At this price, why buy this instead of a Pixel?

This is totally subjective, but I don't get why anyone would buy a Pixel. It's overpriced, and one of the ugliest phones in the market. Sure the camera is the best available, but I just can't get past the looks.

Re: Essential Phone, available now

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Post by edgan »

rl3 wrote: post #479
ariofrio wrote: post #286

Give me software updates for 7+ years, then we'll talk about buying your $700 phone. Lasting hardware means nothing without lasting software. In the meanwhile, I'll keep buying $120 phones (Moto G4 with Amazon Ads FTW) and keeping them for ~2 years until they break or software updates stop. Even though as a Catholic (Laudato Si, Rerum Novarum) it kills me to waste all those materials every couple of years and be part…

> Lasting hardware means nothing without lasting software. The Nexus 6P is a perfect example of this: https://m.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/01/google_eol_for_nexus_... I've had mine a year and a half, and it doesn't even feel close to struggling with things. Performance is great. Yet, it's going to be artificially deprived of the latest Android releases starting one month from now, and won't even receive security updat…

I have a Nexus 6P, and have to disagree on the hardware. I had to replace my battery to not have shutdown problems at about 25%. Also I also regularly see the need for 4gb or 6gb of memory instead of just 3gb.

Re: Essential Phone, available now

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Post by Yetanfou »

scott_karana wrote: post #380
Yetanfou wrote: post #242

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...and if you believe that, I've got a bridge for sale. Titanium is many things but soft it is not. It can also be alloyed with many other metals for specific purposes. One thing it definitely is though is expensive which is most likely the reason for Apple to look for alternatives. That is actually is possible to use titanium to create form-stable notebooks can be seen by e.g. the many Thinkpads which sport titanium…

Thinkpads generally use magnesium frames, not titanium. https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-T400-T500-and-newer-T/...

The T-series (at least from T2x to T6x) had titanium lids. I don't know what they use nowadays as I am in the habit of using older machines (currently using a T42p with 1600x1200 4:3 screen). The T21 I'm using as a mobile terminal to access headless servers has been used as a seat cushion more than once, the screen hasn't budged...

http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkPad_series

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