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Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by Lazare »

zoom6628 wrote: post #654

Very happy for the folks at Trello. Great outcome for a great tool. Seems lots of JIRA-haters in the comments but lets get back and look at this event. The folks at Fog Creek brought us FogBugz, Stackoverflow, Trello. We should celebrate their success because its events like this that create the motivation for some of us to go create something that "stands on their shoulders" or competes with them or creates some new…

> Seems lots of JIRA-haters in the comments

Not just JIRA; I think a lot of people were burnt by Atlassian's management of Hipchat or Bitbucket too.

Historically there's something of a track record where Atlassian is the place where interesting, innovative products go to stagnate. Bug fixes happen glacially (a 1 year turnaround seems to be standard), and new feature development doesn't happen at all. Running Hipchat is like looking through a window back at 2012.

> Very happy for the folks at Trello. Great outcome for a great tool.

Great outcome for a great team? Perhaps. But I don't really see how this benefits the tool, nor the people who use the tool, because I (and a lot of other people here) are assuming, with reason, that this deal heralds the end of further development of Trello.

Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by emmelaich »

i386 wrote: post #522
allover wrote: post #493

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Bamboo (cloud) is end-of-lifed so you might want to reconsider that purchase! (Pipelines is their new alternative). (Yes you could buy the Bamboo self-hosted thing, which they're still supporting, but it's clear where their efforts are going at this point). EDIT: Also, I should add some opinion here. We used to use Bamboo for 2+ years and ditched it (for Jenkins). Bamboo has a horrible UI, and everything basically ha…

I hope you don't think our (Jenkins) UI is ugly now ;) We've recently launched the Jenkins Blue Ocean project that aims to modernize the developer experience and UI https://jenkins.io/projects/blueocean/

psst :-)

@i386 used to work on Bamboo for Atlassian.

Good luck James, I really want to try out BlueOcean but might depend on stuff[1] at work.

1. GoCD (blah) CircleCI (not used yet but frankly looked better)

Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by dx034 »

oblio wrote: post #664
solipsism wrote: post #662

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Hmm... How long does a company have to be around until it's no longer considered a start-up?

Plus Fog Creek is more on an anti-start-up since it explicitly did not want to grow fast at all costs. That's why Trello was spun off.

Do all start ups have to grow at all costs? I know it's standard for most start-ups to accept as much VC money as possible and find ways to spend it, but there are also young companies that don't need VC money and are successful. Don't know why those shouldn't be start-ups.

Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by emmelaich »

xiaoma wrote: post #543

Looks like too many customers decided they JUST MIGHT HAVE TO GO OVER TO THE AUSTRALIANS! So many that "the Australians" bought the team. This is poetic and this is why I'm glad blogs often stick around. https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2009/07/20/fruity-treats-cust...

Thanks for this; I knew it from memory but web searched without success.

Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by Flenser »

I suspect this is as much about getting a dev center in New York, away from a tapped-out Sydney startup scene that is hostile to bringing in overseas talent, and having a brand with a reputation as a good employer; as it is about acquiring the IP or user-base.

Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by haack »

farkas wrote: post #412
ryanSrich wrote: post #98

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Is Trello really a competitor though? JIRA and Trello couldn't be more different. I'd think Trello and Asana are much closer competitors. JIRA is like an over engineered spaceship with more features than anyone could learn in a lifetime. Comparatively Trello functions more like a Prius. Priuses and spaceships don't compete.

We don't view JIRA and Trello as competitors. JIRA shines in areas that (a) have workflow and (b) require repeatable processes across a number of people. Once you have 20+ people on a project, you need repeatable processes. In cases like bug tracking, project management, customer service, help desks, HR onboarding and hundreds others you need workflow. Trello shines in areas where you have (a) small teams or (b) requ…

On a side note, I think it's great that you're involved in the discussion here.

Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by rakibtg »

bhouston wrote: post #29
hashkb wrote: post #17

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What does this have to do with h GitHub?

JIRA + Bitbucket (and now + Trello) is a very effective competitor to Github among enterprise companies. Github's issue tracker sort of sucks and this hurts it tremendously -- I know as I live with that shitty issue tracker in an enterprise situation.

GitHub issue tracker is free, treat it like that ..

Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by gurkendoktor »

tedmiston wrote: post #629
canistr wrote: post #401

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I like Tower on macOS, but version 2 is significantly worse than version 1. UI/UX and the number of bugs has been a major pain-point that has made me consider switching to SourceTree. But I still haven't gotten use to SourceTree and GitHub Desktop isn't a great client either as a substitute.

The only major bug I've experienced in Tower v2 is related to renaming repos. That part's very broken, but besides that it's been great for me.

Staging, unstaging, and discarding line-by-line has been extremely flaky for me in v1 and v2. Often discarding a deleted line will insert the line in a completely unrelated part of the file, so instead of a deletion, you now have a deletion and an addition. And so on.

In combination with GitUp, it's still a great tool, but it could need better QA so that even edge cases are solid.

Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by gurkendoktor »

beat wrote: post #90
bhouston wrote: post #29

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JIRA + Bitbucket (and now + Trello) is a very effective competitor to Github among enterprise companies. Github's issue tracker sort of sucks and this hurts it tremendously -- I know as I live with that shitty issue tracker in an enterprise situation.

Atlassian has cracked the enterprise sales nut completely. Github is still struggling with it some. Completeness is a big reason for that.

And I hope GitHub stays incomplete! I don't need hierarchical access control to decide who can add, remove, and list issue labels, or whatever, just because some pointy-haired enterprise boss came up with that idea five minutes ago.

Re: Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M

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Post by gurkendoktor »

shortstuffsushi wrote: post #468
pram wrote: post #424

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HipChat (unless you concede it was always bad)

What about HipChat don't you like? I know it can be buggy at times, but from a strictly functional perspective, I feel like it's ok, or at least sufficient for me.

It is okay on my Mac (except ugly and slow as molasses), but my Windows coworkers have been complaining about crashes, HiDPI problems and missed notifications for ages.

The editing function is embarrassingly bad. I get it, I've been on IRC when Perl was cool, but I can't believe they're shipping that. I don't think I've seen a non-programmer use it, ever.

I've also never felt so unwelcome in a bug reporter as in HipChat's. It really reminded me that Atlassian sells to suits, not to users.

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