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#681
There's a stunning degree of false equivalence happening here with regard to Trump.

Trump is not Romney or McCain. It's not a left/liberal-only claim that Trump is dangerously unfit to be president. There are scores of republican national security experts who have written open letters, come out publicly against him, etc.

To claim he's just another side of a coin is absurd. This guy is out there, as we speak, dangerously fanning the conspiracy that the election will be rigged.

The decision by YC sent a signal about diversity of opinions. But, it sent other signals as well. One is that it further normalizes Trump. One can make a strong argument that of the signals YC could have sent, the latter is worse.

Where's the line? Would Trump need to literally have been a klan member for it to be okay for an organization to say, you know what, we're not going to associate with people publicly supporting this guy? Somewhere there's a line, and many of us believe it was crossed a long time ago.

The other thing is, Thiel is not going to be 'unfairly silenced' if YC were to cut ties. He's a vocal billionaire who in our current system of money and politics has a megaphone far larger than most. It's disingenuous to equate YC cutting ties with Thiel to firing an employee over their personal political beliefs. It's a privilege to serve on a board at that level, and there should be a higher moral standard.

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#682

Thanks, Marco, for drawing my attention to Sam Altman's great blog post. More people should take Sam's attitude: The way we got into a situation with Trump as a major party nominee in the first place was by not talking to people who are very different than we are. The polarization of the country into two parallel political realities is not good for any of us. We should talk to each other more, not less. We should all…

IMHO Sam's is a pretty good post, and I also feel Sam is basically saying Peter Thiel gets a pass because he's Peter Thiel and because Trump is a major party nominee, but if anyone else were publicly supporting a basically anti-free speech, anti-immigrant, anti-women, democracy-undermining extremist organization or politician, no reasonable person would want them as an investor or adviser.

Which I think Marco sums up well saying, someone who says what Trump is saying could not be associated with YC, and donating over $1m is saying you strongly support what Trump is saying.

IMO saying you shouldn't fire someone over politics, shouldn't be a free pass to support ANYTHING, including things antithetical to basic human values or YC values/interests, if it happens to be from a presidential candidate.

Re: Shame on Y Combinator

#683
post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many very smart, educated, and informed people I know believe that Hillary has effectively monetized public service/political influence and is the most corrupt major party nominee to run for the Presidency in modern history. If people don't take a stand against that type of thing, isn't that tacit acceptance as well? Pick your poison, so to speak. Hillary's supporters will argue that she's not corrupt and has been in…

In 30 years of public life, there hasn't been a single shred of evidence to back up that claim. These people you know are sadly misinformed.

I think you must mean Unassailable Proof. There's certainly plenty of Bayesian evidence.

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#684
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Shame on Marco. I can't stand Trump, but I also can't stand this ganging up on Thiel. I guess the fact that he's a billionaire means he can be bullied, but this political bullying has a chilling effect that leads to the lackluster choices we get for president every four years. Thiel sees Hillary as a bigger threat to his interests than Trump. To prefer an outcome does not imply you favor all aspects of that outcome.…

> I guess the fact that he's a billionaire means he can be bullied

Poor billionaires, being bullied and called names by random plebs on the internet. Let's start a feel-good charity for billionaires.

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#685

Marcos understanding of this situation is extremely telling for a fundamental problem with many americans relationship with politics. Most only get involved around election. After that their political interest is non existing. It's easy to get lured into the idea that politics is a simple choice between the moral good and the moral bad, that the choice is simple and that there is a one to one relationship between wha…

That is in fact not a fundamental principle of democracy. There is no work of political philosophy anywhere that suggests we should be able to say whatever we'd like "without fear of repercussions". What is a principle of liberal philosophy, though, is that we should be tolerant of the beliefs of others (in the sense of not intervening to suppress them), including intolerant beliefs, until those intolerant beliefs th…

Whether or not it's a "fundamental principle of democracy" , the hyperbole and moral policing sets an extremely dangerous precedent. Yes, trump would be a terrible president but he's not Hitler (I know you didn't compare him to Hitler but it was a very common comparison in the media for a while).

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#686
Was somebody under the impression that there are no conservatives involved in funding and creating startups?

If you live in a world where you think you only have to deal with people who follow your political ideology, I feel sorry for you.

Re: Shame on Y Combinator

#687
Another way to look at this is to apply a version of Jeff Bezos's Regret Minimization Framework: project yourself decades into the future and read about yourself in a history book.

If you truly believe Trump is an unprecedented threat to democracy in the league of Stalin, how would you feel telling your children that "it was just business" when you kept on a partner who was part of his campaign apparatus?

I don't think IBM is particularly proud of their management during the 1930's. No one knows or cares about the personal views of the people behind those decisions, just what they led IBM to do.

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#688

Are we going to talk about the election on Hacker News now? Seems most submissions deemed political have been blackholed, correct? And I think that's fine. But if we're opening the gates, lets open them wide and not just post the same garbage that can be read anywhere else. For example, let's talk about something ignored by most of the mainstream like this excellent investigative report that came out yesterday. It co…

Excellent point, but to discuss politics on HN is a waste of time as there isn't an easy way to know who you are talking to - the same type of operatives you refer too are also crawling HN and pretty much every other popular social media space. Marco is either completely oblivious to the phenomena (and has bought into their narrative hook, line and sinker) or perhaps he himself is also artificially incentivized. The…

It seems you just accused sama of taking payment from Clinton's campaign for his blog post yesterday. I know you said you are not, but you did.

This is why politics should be banned from HN until the election is over.

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#689
I'm not American. I live far away from the country and have zero influence on its politics.

However, America has a deep influence on the whole world, and, of course, it's president is very relevant for all nations in this planet. So I follow the political scenario closely.

As (hopefully) many, I'm completely against Trump. He's irresponsible, most of the ideals he spread are harmful to (my understanding of the) development of mankind, etc. I really hope that he isn't elected under any circumstances.

Still, it seems to me that Marco doesn't understand democracy, freedom of speech, belief, and a number of other values that are as important to mankind as those Trump poses a risk to. As a person should (has to) be free to vote to whomever they wish, also they are free to support that same individual.

Punishing such support is about the same as threating The Republic for supporting Clinton.

Re: Shame on Y Combinator

#690

Marcos understanding of this situation is extremely telling for a fundamental problem with many americans relationship with politics. Most only get involved around election. After that their political interest is non existing. It's easy to get lured into the idea that politics is a simple choice between the moral good and the moral bad, that the choice is simple and that there is a one to one relationship between wha…

> Racism is not just racism, sexism is not just sexism.

Yes, yes they are.

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