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You cannot make anonymous donations in my country so we know who the Israeli and American agents are.
And just a few of the Hamas agents as well.
These are the good guys, haven't you heard?
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Several of the laws TFA complains about are literally what you just asked for. Like the California and Illinois laws. They are literally that.
No they are not. The Illinois law fails to include any of the exclusions I mentioned. None of them enforce the parental password controls or remote monitoring. Please read my full comment before jumping to respond.
Why would the laws have to enforce that? That should be left to the implementer. All the law needs to do is require that there be a place for a parent to set the age.
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#673> These NGOs have converged upon a unified strategy: use the rhetoric of ‘child safety’ to advocate for digital ID laws that would prevent adults from using the internet anonymously. Of course. Anyone who brings up kids is trying to manipulate you into giving up your freedom for security. Whatever argument they make should be simply ignored and dismissed.
No, do not ignore them, do not dismiss them and do not underestimate them.
These people are the enemy, they are smart and resourceful and they have managed to do the unthinkable - convince 2 of the most pro-free-speech nations in the history of the world to start censoring the internet. The idea that I would ever need a VPN to view adult content in the UK would have been laughable 5 years ago and now it's a fact that puts us in the same basket as literal authoritarian hell holes.
I guarantee they will come for the VPNs, that is 100% certain, these traitors will stop at nothing. Only Luigi can save us.
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#674Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but the war on anonymity was first (just) passed in the US at a state level as porn laws before it passed in the UK. Are we pretending that the porn id laws weren't a first attempt at getting forums like Reddit that might "accidentally" have naked pictures liable and therefore profile everyone? Because this is leaning on blaming to UK for everything the US is doing to itself an awful lot…
There are people in the replies below going back and forth about whether the US or the UK started the surveillance state first. I think as undemocratic as the US can behave in practice, it's hard not to argue that the UK won the CCTV surveillance race. London is heavily surveilled. And it doesn't help that someone just posted this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49255496
Who started it isn't really important, what matters is who will kill it?
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No ID checks at clubs, bars, or other adults-only venues. No school zone speed limits, or protected crossings on streets near schools. No requirements for railings on public balconies, fencing around public pools, protective covers over drains or other holes in the ground. Parents/guardians can just supervise. Sounds great!
The things you've listed are obviously reasonable, but the laws being proposed for digital parenting are very much not the same as those benign, locally-implemented guardrails. Take the recent Illinois law as an example: they're mandating all Internet-capable operating systems to broadcast the user's age bracket to all software that requests it. That effectively means you can't communicate online if you don't comply.…
They don't mandate what x is. Is the fact that the government requires service providers to ask if their users are above 13 years old for COPPA also compelled speech that is incompatible with the First Amendment?
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No ID checks at clubs, bars, or other adults-only venues. No school zone speed limits, or protected crossings on streets near schools. No requirements for railings on public balconies, fencing around public pools, protective covers over drains or other holes in the ground. Parents/guardians can just supervise. Sounds great!
Do you actually think a railing on a balcony is the same as collecting the private information of minors in a centralised database? Please, stay far far away from my children. They do not need your help.
Do you think the laws in the article are about collecting the private information of minors? The first few laws listed on that page aren't at all. It's rage bait. The about page confirms that it is AI slop.
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Are you saying parents would choose not to block it, or children would get around it? Like you say people want to block it, but currently it's very hard while allowing access to Google and other resources, or it's easy to get around. Why does this require server verification? For example, all devices could require your ZKP ID attestation to be usable unfiltered. Then the relevant apps/sites would be equally inaccessi…
The on the ground reality is that now most social interactions at schools and the content for those interactions happen on social media and apps/private chat rooms. If you don’t have a smartphone or not using those platforms, you’re just left out. There’s going to be serious social cohesion issues for the kids that don’t have access to them. It’s also going to cause continuous pressure throughout your schooling years…
I know, but I think the reality would change if it took 10 seconds to reliably block everything. It would also be the default if you enter an age below 16 at setup (tap a second device or scan a distinct face id to act as guardian). It should also be enforced in schools (and made possible to enforce by schools) as part of their filtering of explicit/harmful content, maybe they can even deploy their own policies eg blocking most phone use during school hours.
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This is the issue I have with most of my well meaning but somewhat politically uninformed friends. The idea of “wouldn’t it be good if …” (idealized scenario), is never followed up with a “yes, but …” (realistic evaluation of how politics actually works). Yes it might actually work out ok if a mythical benevolent dictator could manage things with infinite precision and unlimited compassion. I would imagine that has n…
> Yes it might actually work out ok if a mythical benevolent dictator could manage things with infinite precision and unlimited compassion. I would imagine that has never happened at any reasonable scale. That's because people aren't recognizing me as their benevolent god-emperor yet.
All Hail!
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#679The right people to protect children are those responsible for them - their parents and guardians. If there is a problem with children not being sufficiently protected, that is the level at which to solve it. Give families tools and information to do so.
This is something where I agree and disagree with both sides. Parents should have the tools to protect their children, the providers should have those tools in place. But those that are dealing the goods as also heavily invested in trying to maximize engagement and so they do not really work to hard on providing those tools.
When the market leads to bad outcomes, that's where the government steps in with regulation, as is the case with the California laws linked in this article. You appear to fully agree with them, which makes sense to me because the laws look perfectly reasonable.
Re: The UK's war on anonymity has come to America
#680Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but the war on anonymity was first (just) passed in the US at a state level as porn laws before it passed in the UK. Are we pretending that the porn id laws weren't a first attempt at getting forums like Reddit that might "accidentally" have naked pictures liable and therefore profile everyone? Because this is leaning on blaming to UK for everything the US is doing to itself an awful lot…
Not to mention the UN convention on cybercrime which is a ridiculous one since it makes co-operation necessary if the penalty in the home country is 4 or more years - there are quite a few countries where speaking out against the leader, been gay or been trans will get you that (or much much worse). Canada opposed it originally and then quietly signed it most recently, the UK didn't start this stuff though we are up…
Pointing out a law you don't like in another country as justification to ignore local laws, or to critique internation relations policy, is a terrible argument.
Some country has laws that some other country dislikes, therefore they should be able to ignore them?
I think comes down to what influence you think you have. I'm a backend developer and sys admin, when it comes to international law, I think of it in relation to hosting content in other countries or serving users in other countries. Judging the quality of laws on another country is beyond my scope, if it conflicts with my ethical constitution, I just don't provide service to that country, I don't provide service in an anonymous manner that makes it possible for users of that country to evade local law because I find the law may contain bad parts.
What I'm not sure is whether you think of your influence on the subject as a sysadmin that actually wants to provide such services, or whether you think of it as some individual posturing, like a random citizen voicing their opinion on Israel v Palestina knowing full well you have no influence.