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Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by arikrahman »

skywhopper wrote: post #284
arikrahman wrote: post #135

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It’s exhausting to read comments like yours where you are clearly triggered by a grammatical construction and reacting far more formulaically than the comment you’re addressing. The reason AI follows these grammatical patterns is because real humans also write that way. I personally identified with the word “consistency” specifically. Yes, that and quality are what I value in CarPlay.

"You are clearly triggered" "comments like yours" "reacting far more formulaically... you're" "you you you". They taught in the dorms first year to minimize "you" statements. Something to think about and profit from.

If all it takes to be a good person is spam low-effort high attention virtue signals that's great I will do more of that.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by square_usual »

ipdashc wrote: post #223
IgorPartola wrote: post #217

I am clearly in the minority here but I have driven cars with and without CarPlay and honestly do not care whether a car has it. I use my phone for navigation and mount it such that when I look at it I am not taking my eyes off the road. I find this to be far better than having to look down at the center of my dashboard but CarPlay navigation UI via Google Maps or Waze also works fine so it’s not a huge difference. R…

> I am clearly in the minority here but I have driven cars with and without CarPlay and honestly do not care whether a car has it. I'm in the same boat, though with Android Auto or whatever. I'm honestly surprised how many people seem to need CarPlay; a comment or two down there's a stat claiming 79% of buyers wouldn't buy a car without it. Is it that different from the Android implementation? Is there something spec…

> when Android Auto connects on my phone, it tends to stop me from using the maps app on the phone

This is on Google Maps. Nothing about Auto/CarPlay prevents this. Google just chose to do this.

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Post by hamdingers »

titanomachy wrote: post #354
rkangel wrote: post #346

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The big thing for me is that the lifetime of a car is a lot longer than the technology development lifecycle. I just bought a 10 year old Toyota estate (station wagon). It's got a reasonable screen and Bluetooth implementation etc. But I'm never going to want to use the built in navigation because it's just not as good as what my phone will do. And the audio integration isn't as sophisticated as it might be - I have…

I’m sure the car manufacturers would much prefer if you updated your car as often as you do your phone.

On the other hand, dealerships would rather you keep bringing your car back for repairs and maintenance for 10+ years.

This was a fruitful conflict for the consumer until dealerships started steering buyers away from EVs.

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Post by hnburnsy »

jaskerr wrote: post #551
xp84 wrote: post #536

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They’re working on it. I follow a mechanic on YouTube who has shared dozens of examples of manufacturers seemingly intentionally shipping deeply flawed components for seemingly no reason other than to push the average lifespan of a vehicle back downwards from the high levels we’d reached by about 2012. Cars are being junked with less than 100k miles because the original parts fail, replacement parts are hard to get,…

Care to name the mechanic on YouTube?

Mat Armstrong is one, car companies refuse to sell him parts or manuals, and he find parts that are needlessly cryptographically signed to a car.

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Post by WorldMaker »

lilhenry wrote: post #529
alerighi wrote: post #366

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I appreciate my 2011 vehicle that only has a car radio with FM tuner and CDs, and yes, I know that I could easily swap it but I didn't on purpose, let me explain why: - all the controls that I need, that are basically volume, radio station or CD track, are easily accessible trough physical buttons and knobs, that I can use without taking my eyes off the street - I get in the car, insert the key and the radio turns on…

I’m in a similar situation, my car does have Bluetooth, but I mostly use cd’s and radio, the one thing I wish I had was a map in a convenient spot, I have to have my phone set up in some awkward holder to view it, I’m dependent on using the maps app on my phone

My 2012MY car has Bluetooth, but only for calls/interruptions not for music so I've been using USB sticks still. It has a navigation system but the map DVDs are so weirdly expensive that I have never updated the maps. I'm at the point where I don't always trust the nav system to get me somewhere and use my phone. I leave the car's map up if I want to glance at it to double check, but also assume some of the roads are wrong now. The biggest thing I miss is "next turn info" in the driver cluster, but the Apple Watch has a version of that. It's still less convenient to glance at my watch instead of the driver cluster, but still better than glancing at my phone or having to mount my phone somewhere.

CarPlay sounds fantastic but right now all the manufacturers I'm looking at for "next car" don't support it. I keep thinking if I never experience it first hand I'll not be disappointed if the "next car" doesn't have it. Bluetooth for music might be enough of an upgrade for me. It seems interesting to me this pendulum swing in "every car has CarPlay" to "manufacturers don't trust CarPlay" has happened within the time period of me owning a single car. It probably says something about the car life cycle.

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Post by asadotzler »

jrmg wrote: post #482
Telaneo wrote: post #397

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This would not fly in Europe. You would be able to return the car for having lost crucial functionality, at least within 2 years of the sale (in some jurisdictions, 5 years). They could do it after that, but functionally forcing a subscription to get back a worse version of the functionality one already had for free sounds like a bad way to encourage sales of said subscription.

Removing an advertised-at-sale feature in an update wouldn’t fly in the US either.

Sony is deleting 551 movies from customer accounts, movies those customers paid for. Nothing digital is ever truly yours. They can and absolutely do take things away after advertising them at sale. This is actually quite common.

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Post by WorldMaker »

bitmasher9 wrote: post #130
bhhaskin wrote: post #57

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It's not that the market is moving away, but more like car companies realized if they want to sell monthly subscriptions in the future, they need to own the software.

The car companies need to stay in their lanes on this one. You’re risking selling a >$40k piece of hardware that requires professional service every six months in order to sell me $240/yr in software subscriptions.

I think one of the things at issue here is that "professional service every six months" with EVs has gone from two oil changes, a tune-up, and a tire rotation to "maybe just a tire rotation". Most people don't do tire rotations that regularly, and any garage can do a tire rotation who needs to go to the dealership for that. They might be hoping that they can use some of that $240/yr to make dealers a little bit happier about selling EVs.

Which does sort of get slightly to the heart of some recent things that the dealer model in the US has always been sometimes antagonistic to consumers, EVs make that worse, and it may be time for brand new dealer regulation. (Though that alone won't address the subscription fees because car companies will want recurring revenue with or without dealers.)

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Post by [deleted] »

bluGill wrote: post #480
titanomachy wrote: post #354

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I’m sure the car manufacturers would much prefer if you updated your car as often as you do your phone.

They want everyone to, but they also know that the cost of cars, it's not realistic for that to happen. The only way even people on the upper middle class can afford to be buying or leasing cars every three years is because at the end of those three years the car still has a lot of value left to sell on to someone who is more middle class. And that middle class person will likely sell it again to someone who is a lit…

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Post by shellfishgene »

bhhaskin wrote: post #57
MBCook wrote: post #44

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Since then GM has dropped CarPlay. Rivian has appeared following Tesla and refusing to support it. And I thought there were some other existing manufacturer who was either getting rid of it or thinking about it. Basically despite the popularity the market seems to be moving against it slowly. And the more those cars succeed the more other auto makers will be willing to follow.

It's not that the market is moving away, but more like car companies realized if they want to sell monthly subscriptions in the future, they need to own the software.

I'm sure that's a big reason. But I think they also may be afraid that, if CarPlay/AndroidAuto really becomes such a must have that they can't sell cars without, Apple and Google with start charging them huge fees.

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Post by 0xffff2 »

WorldMaker wrote: post #677
bitmasher9 wrote: post #130

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The car companies need to stay in their lanes on this one. You’re risking selling a >$40k piece of hardware that requires professional service every six months in order to sell me $240/yr in software subscriptions.

I think one of the things at issue here is that "professional service every six months" with EVs has gone from two oil changes, a tune-up, and a tire rotation to "maybe just a tire rotation". Most people don't do tire rotations that regularly, and any garage can do a tire rotation who needs to go to the dealership for that. They might be hoping that they can use some of that $240/yr to make dealers a little bit happi…

> two oil changes, a tune-up, and a tire rotation

What is this, the 60s? Modern gas cars are so computer controlled that the concept of a "tune-up" effectively no longer exists, and they go 10,000 miles between oil changes so most people don't even average a single oil change every 6 months. EVs are even lower maintenance, but the difference isn't nearly as big as you're implying.

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