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Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by Ajedi32 »

chii wrote: post #471
sixothree wrote: post #434

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This biggest offender creeping into my feeds currently seems to be long form history videos. I'll be 10 minutes into a 90 minute WWII video and notice a completely incorrect pronunciation of something and realize what is happening. They're certainly getting better at fooling us. Especially when they speak slowly with a calm voice.

if the content is sufficiently good, why does it matter that it is ai or not?

For pure entertainment maybe, but in the case of a history video how do you know whether the history you're being presented is accurate, or even has any basis in reality for that matter?

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by Slackwise »

Redeemer06 wrote: post #583
injidup wrote: post #474

Last weekend a group of friends and I sat by the lake. One had a guitar, and we were all singing off-key to old classics and dancing to salsa and reggaeton. We were doing it together, and it was great. Much more fun than listening alone or caring about the authenticity of the music or not. It was the participation, not the product, that was the key. Something went wrong with music and culture in recent times. Partici…

I’m really in the middle of what I should think about Gen AI, and to be honest, it disturbs me. I’ve been playing guitar since I was very young. I have good skills, I can play hard songs, and I compose a lot on guitar, drums, and bass. I love the process of creating, but I’ve always hated using complicated applications just to get a clean recording or mess around with adding MIDI tracks. Because of that, I recently t…

If you asked an "agent" to make something for you, you yourself did not create it. By definition. Whether it's AI or a person. You contributed only a piece. It's no longer yours. This is why any piece of art/music has everyone involved documented in credits. The phonies in the industry have ghostwriters write songs for them, like a majority of pop artists. Pop music is going to be even more fake soon.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by Ajedi32 »

mapontosevenths wrote: post #88
Ajedi32 wrote: post #55

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Who posts raw output from cameras anywhere? This doesn't seem useful outside some niche use-cases (like security camera footage). At a minimum just about every recording is going to be re-compressed for streaming.

Synthid and the like survive compression and decent quality rerecording.

Synthid is a watermark which indicates the video is AI-generated, not a digital signature indicating it's real. Completely different use case and threat model.

I'm not aware of any secure digital signature schemes that don't require the thing they signed to be bit-for-bit identical to pass verification. There are perceptual hashing algorithms that could theoretically be used to build such a scheme, but such hashes are not second preimage resistant, so someone could create a modified video that still passes signature verification.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by deaton »

mullingitover wrote: post #297

There's probably a sizable niche market for an absolutist anti-AI video hosting platform. It doesn't need to be perfect, just needs one simple policy: Post AI and you're banned for life, no appeals.

As nice as this would be, one classic problem with the internet is that enforcing a lifetime ban is basically impossible.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by Ajedi32 »

AmbroseBierce wrote: post #67
Ajedi32 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who posts raw output from cameras anywhere? This doesn't seem useful outside some niche use-cases (like security camera footage). At a minimum just about every recording is going to be re-compressed for streaming.

I bet the cameras' companies will start automatically uploading the real footage to their servers for attestation, and allow the camera owners to get those links, so people will just add that link on YouTube or whatever and say "See, its real, Sony vouches for it", heck maybe they will make their buyers to sign up with YouTube and do it for them.

Perhaps that could work in certain situations, but you don't even necessarily need digital signatures for that. A link to a reputable news site claiming they've verified the footage as real would be good enough in like 95% of cases, people just don't bother to check.

You'd also need close to 100% adoption for this to be effective, otherwise people will just assume the fakes were recorded with one of the cameras that doesn't have that feature, or that they didn't bother to upload the raw footage anywhere.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by sixothree »

datsci_est_2015 wrote: post #642
sixothree wrote: post #434

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This biggest offender creeping into my feeds currently seems to be long form history videos. I'll be 10 minutes into a 90 minute WWII video and notice a completely incorrect pronunciation of something and realize what is happening. They're certainly getting better at fooling us. Especially when they speak slowly with a calm voice.

Why don’t you have preferred channels and content creators? Things I would do before committing time to a random channel on a topic I’m interested in: - Search my trusted communities and channels for alternative recommendations on that topic - Ask (create a post) for recommendations on a topic in my trusted communities - Request my preferred content creators create content on that topic - Search for sentiment regardi…

This is easily one of the most insulting things I have seen.

Why would you assume I'm NOT subscribed to those channels? And why would you assume I am incapable or haven't asked for recommendations.

My friend. You are a grade A jerk. Get freaking bent.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by TremendousJudge »

Lambdanaut wrote: post #670
dmos62 wrote: post #652

Children and seniors are victimized by AI content on a huge scale. Regular adults like most of us here don't ever get such videos in their feeds. I saw kids spend many hours a day watching automatically generated videos. Not always AI-generated, sometimes it's AI-assisted and procedurally generated. It is quite unbelievable how vulnerable weaker minds, for the lack of a better term, are to AI content. I saw a group o…

The process designed to optimize for attracting our attention has done what it was designed to do: optimized for attracting our attention, at the cost of all other incentives. The image of a throbbing, mutating, dark spiral is conjured in my mind. The more it is watched, the more it begins to grow into a twisted visage of the viewer as it attempts to recreate all of their desires and fears within itself. It is meanin…

this stuff always reminds me of There is no antimemetis division [0]

From Case Hate Red:

> With some minutes to kill, he checks the headlines on his phone. Yet again, something dreadful and new which he doesn't understand is going viral. Today's fad is, you paint a black vertical rectangle on the wall, or on a mirror, or over the top of a picture. And then you chant something. Wheeler can't quite pick out the words of the chant. They're in a language he's not familiar with. He's no singer, but he's performed pieces with lyrics in Latin, German, Greek, French… whereas this language has a bizarre manufactured sense to it, as if it were simply English with the vowels and consonants all switched around.

[0] https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/antimemetics-division-hub

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by nsxwolf »

tkcashman wrote: post #647

I see the comments below with the positive and negative aspects of AI, and I think there are very good points made. I've had this discussion before with many friends of mine, and the point I usually make is this: good or bad, there's no going back to the "good old days." I think of those movie trailers where the cast appears to plead with us to watch their upcoming movie in a theater, "the way it's meant to be seen."…

Good movies still pack theaters.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by dmos62 »

rkozik1989 wrote: post #669
emursebrian wrote: post #662

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I mostly get AI slop ads for scam products, though slop videos do creep into my shorts feed.

There's a bar by me where the owners made all of the decor with ChatGPT. It feels surreal in there.

What do you mean they made it with ChatGPT?
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