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Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by gedy »

theturtlemoves wrote: post #527
cjs_ac wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just before LLMs became available to the general public, I worked for a small (fewer than ten employees) strategy consultancy. They had some industry-specific analysis tools that were in Excel, and my job was to turn them into a software product that customers could operate themselves. The owner had a mechanical engineering degree, but every time I asked him a technical question about the tools, he'd just give me a s…

Maybe unrelated but this memory pops up: I once worked with a mechanical engineer who could not visualize anything in his mind and had quite some trouble with word finding and explaining his ideas. He just couldn't say what needed to be built, he could only evaluate after it was built (often "argh, no not that"). It's as if his training had centered so much on 3d modeling and tangible tweaking as you go, that he hadn…

Same, but not sure it's his training and just the way his head works. Have met a lot of people in software who can't draw or understand (very) simple block diagrams of systems. Some people don't have an inner eye.

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by doug_durham »

I'm sorry what do you expect? Did you expect people to not use Google search prior to AI tools? People don't know the answer to your question and they are trying to be helpful. Not everyone is effective at using AI tools at this point. They presumed you might not be.

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by Aperocky »

In my documents I usually preface with "This document is 100% typed by Aperocky". And then where ever part of it is generated by LLM, it is clearly marked (e.g. SVGs). It is necessary these days.

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by basch »

jvanderbot wrote: post #172
torben-friis wrote: post #60

>But even when I talk to people, they forward my questions to AI and send me the AI’s answer. This is the killer issue. It's so profoundly saddenning, it feels like watching an adult being asked a question and calling mom to answer for them. There is something deeply disturbing in it that makes me feel I'm not talking to a self sufficient entity.

What I hate about this whole thing, is that there are many reasons someone might reach out to a coworker with questions. Not all require the knowledge in fancy markdown with emojis. Maybe they want to show respect to a person by asking their opinion before proceeding with a change Maybe they want to share context and make that person aware of what they're thinking without being so obvious Maybe they need _that person…

The writing is on the wall. We are headed for a world where everybody interprets everybody through a personalized model. (corporations too.)

Our models need to understand each other, we don't need to understand each other. A call and response to the tower of babel. We eventually all learn to speak our own custom language known only to us. Our inner monolog moves externally, and we offload "understandability" to an external entity.

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Post by __david__ »

jimbokun wrote: post #547
sixtyj wrote: post #480

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would rather hear the answer “I don’t know. I had to look it up.” (And I don’t care what you have used as sources, as citing counts with norms/laws or in academics.) If you really rewrite LLM’s response in your own words, I will know that you have learnt something. Because if you tell me directly that you have asked Claude, next time I will probably ask Claude directly as I don’t need you. And we won’t be able to d…

You should abso-fucking-lutely use sources and cite them when trying to answer questions. What is this macho bullshit of pretending like you have memorized all information you might ever need and looking something up is a sign of inadequacy? And yes Claude or whatever is just another source, to be verified just like any other.

No one is saying to pretend you memorized everything. They’re saying they’d rather have an “I don’t know” than a half-assed ai response (or stack overflow cut and paste).

Or, if you get nerd-sniped by the question and spend some time figuring it out, that’s fine too.

But if you want to be helpful but don’t want to take the time to figure it out yourself, don’t just forward the question to AI or send me a link to the first result in Google because I could have done that myself(and may have done it already). Just say you don’t know, which is a paradoxically more useful response.

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by LizzM »

rickydroll wrote: post #406
jvanderbot wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I hate about this whole thing, is that there are many reasons someone might reach out to a coworker with questions. Not all require the knowledge in fancy markdown with emojis. Maybe they want to show respect to a person by asking their opinion before proceeding with a change Maybe they want to share context and make that person aware of what they're thinking without being so obvious Maybe they need _that person…

I attribute people returning AI answers to a desire to feel valued and to feel that they contribute something to the person asking the question. But they are not self-aware or confident enough to understand that they should preface the AI response with: "Interesting question, I asked Claude that question, and here's what I got for a response. Here's what I thought was interesting about Claude's response and what I th…

Do you feel returning an answer that an AI gives is the same as searching it on Google (old fashion way) and just producing an answer from there?

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by teachrdan »

darenr wrote: post #675

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> "did you look at the PR I pushed yesterday, do you think this is something we can get into production soon?"

ChatGPT, look at the status of the PR and compare it to the flow chart of how we merge into production. Check against the milestones for this quarter, too. Respond in a short but cheerful manner.

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by LizzM »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #427
rickydroll wrote: post #406

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I attribute people returning AI answers to a desire to feel valued and to feel that they contribute something to the person asking the question. But they are not self-aware or confident enough to understand that they should preface the AI response with: "Interesting question, I asked Claude that question, and here's what I got for a response. Here's what I thought was interesting about Claude's response and what I th…

The problem is that most of the people in my circle who are returning AI answers to emails and chat messages do not understand enough about the topic to know whether a question is interesting or not, which parts of the response are interesting, and which parts apply. They seem to think they've more or less solved the problem by posting an LLM's response to the issue or concern I've raised.

I personally feel using AI to reply personal chats is extremely bogus. Worse is those that do not even bother to remove the AI watermark. Like, pasting directly from the AI without removing the AI's personal thoughts.
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