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Re: Canvas online again as ShinyHunters threatens to leak schools’ data

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It is kind of funny when these LMS tools with 100+ functions are being used for little more than what email, a grades spreadsheet, and maybe a shared drive would do. University might even ask for the final grades in spreadsheet format by the end of the term anyhow, so data goes into the LMS just to come back out again.

In a sense you aren’t wrong but those analogies fail at scale. It’s like saying you could replace all hr functions with a spreadsheet. They are large databases yes but they do a lot of small and large things that that analogy glosses over

Well, whatever the large and small things they do are that aren't bound within I described, no one really articulates what they really are. I mean there's like wiki functionality built in. A whole forum system built in. That isn't necessary for education. It is an extra song and dance we might play just because we can, shoehorning some lesson into having to use the forum system or make some dumb wiki page instead of a good old fashioned essay or in class discussion, which no one had a problem with and still doesn't have a problem with. I remember there being like multiple different ways one could go about copying content from one course to another. And that was sort of indicative of the whole software suite. Just keep adding functionality. Never mind if it is redundant. Pure bloatware. A dozen ways to do the basic thing. No one sits there and cuts features because the incentives are the opposite with this software. If canvas can do 105 things, blackboard wants to show the software purchasers at the school they can do 106 things. Doesn't matter if no one uses 103 of them. Doesn't matter that no one even gets trained in how to use these 105 functions.

Re: Canvas online again as ShinyHunters threatens to leak schools’ data

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Tech requirements are the same as they always were. One needs to ask whether they need so many frameworks to host some files on the internet and submit some files and perform spreadsheet calculations. We still used one of those First Age 1990s websites for sort of pre lab quizzes this one class when I was going through it, and it might have looked a little "old" but I mean it did the thing and worked for years and wi…

You're being deliberately obtuse. Canvas has many many features. Wikis and discussion boards and quizzes (with some anticheat) and groups and the list goes on and on. Furthermore, while it was never the flashiest thing, it did it better than many of its predecessors. Yes, an individual class may not use all of these features, and yes canvas has suffered feature creep even over my time as a student and yes canvas is n…

Those are the exact features I think are stupid and wastes of time both on the educators trying to bake a lesson into these clumsy interfaces, and also the students who have to use this feature once and only once and never again for this dumb assignment in one class. They merely serve to entrench educators into using the canvas system but they offer no added functionality to education.

Canvas quizzes cannot beat the anticheat of having another screen out of view. Lock down the browser all you want, it is pure security theater.

Best anticheat is still taking the quiz on paper in the classroom. Best way to engage with students is to still speak with them and ask that they might speak up.

Re: Canvas online again as ShinyHunters threatens to leak schools’ data

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ex-Instructure employee here (though it's been about 10 years since I worked for them). That's just the quickest page/status update to throw up; it was a one-liner to push it live back when I was on the deploy rotation. I'd hazard a guess they have more important things to worry about right now than exact status page messaging ;)

> That's just the quickest page/status update to throw up Funny how a lie is always quicker than the truth...

Oh for god's sake.

In the 99% of cases where this status page is used, it is in fact the truth: we'd throw it up when we had e.g. data migrations to do as part of a rollout that wouldn't allow for our normal zero-downtime deploys.

So no, lies are not always quicker than the truth.

There's plenty to criticize Instructure about; let's not go reaching for straw men in the process.

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> That's just the quickest page/status update to throw up Funny how a lie is always quicker than the truth...

Oh for god's sake. In the 99% of cases where this status page is used, it is in fact the truth: we'd throw it up when we had e.g. data migrations to do as part of a rollout that wouldn't allow for our normal zero-downtime deploys. So no, lies are not always quicker than the truth. There's plenty to criticize Instructure about; let's not go reaching for straw men in the process.

> In the 99% of cases where this status page is used, it is in fact the truth.

Figures. Else people would not fall for the lie.

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I'm not confused. Your comment stated that college doesn't add much to a person's employability. (If you had wanted to be less obfuscatory, you could simply have said "a [HS] education is already adequate qualification for many jobs; college doesn't add much"). That was your claim. (I don't think your claim is correct of many OECD countries' colleges, but it was the claim you made.) You then replied to J-Kuhn to say…

It's a little weird how I ignored your comment and replied to somebody else and then you felt the need to reply to me again and again

Not really. The comment of yours that started the lack of clarity is this double-negative, and 0/2 of us who responded to you here found it useful:

> Most graduates aren't really qualified to work anywhere that they couldn't have worked before going to college in the first place.

The double-negative could be read both ways: "Most HS grads aren't really qualified to work anywhere and college doesn't add much" or "a [HS] education is already adequate qualification for many jobs; college doesn't add much". So we apply Occam's razor and since the [U-5] unemployment rate for [US] HS grads is Conversely, it's a little weird how I ignored your lack of clarity and didn't point it out so starkly, then you reduce the interaction to this ping-pong. I don't intend to overflow the stack on this.

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