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Re: Molotov cocktail is hurled at home of Sam Altman

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Post by AlexeyBelov » Sun, Apr 12, 2026, 6:38 AM UTC

loeg wrote: post #651

ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #611

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Do you have any evidence that Luigi carried out any violence whatsoever? He's been accused of a murder, but there seems to be no appreciation that people are innocent until proven guilty.

Happy to clear this up for you. Only courts of law are held to the “innocent until proven guilty” standard. Ordinary people are free to form and share their own opinions based on reported facts. Mangione is a murderer. Hope that helps!

"facts"

> Mangione is a murderer

Are you trying to rage-bait people?

Re: Molotov cocktail is hurled at home of Sam Altman

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Post by make3 » Sun, Apr 12, 2026, 6:44 AM UTC

scoofy wrote: post #412

throwway120385 wrote: post #386

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We did this in the late 1800's and early 1900's because the upper classes understood that they needed to be afraid of the masses. Prior to that political violence seems like it was the order of the day. The US has always had a pretty strong aristocracy, but the aristocrats were variously either moral people or they at least had enough of a sense of self-preservation that they wouldn't get too greedy.

One of the most interesting aspects of the policing power in the premodern era was the existence and split of a powerful church. Religious institutions had some access to legitimate violence in a way that the state couldn’t control. Once authoritarianism gave way to more democratic governance, that effectively disappeared.

not in the UK (or the US) since king Henry VIII made himself Pope of his new Anglican Church in the 1500s

Re: Molotov cocktail is hurled at home of Sam Altman

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Post by make3 » Sun, Apr 12, 2026, 6:48 AM UTC

strongpigeon wrote: post #36

It is a bit scary how people seem to genuinely be OK with violence (see this reddit thread [0]). Is just me or does it feel like the overall "temperature" has gone up. [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1shugf8/firebomb_t...

it's a bit scary how a lot of people are completely fine with an insanely wrong status quo of a fully corrupt and anti democratic government and of ppl like Altman allying with them.

Re: Molotov cocktail is hurled at home of Sam Altman

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Post by make3 » Sun, Apr 12, 2026, 6:49 AM UTC

Ferret7446 wrote: post #530

zouhair wrote: post #462

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What do you mean by violence? Do you consider someone building a monster of a server farm near your home and messing up with your drinking water, electricity and life in general violence? Why violence is only immediate physical one that counts?

All of that has presumably gone through the proper public approval process. Just because you might think the process is flawed, does not justify retaliatory violence in a civilized society

there's no due process in the US, the state is completly corrupt and captured

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Post by overfeed » Sun, Apr 12, 2026, 6:57 AM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #656

overfeed wrote: post #514

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> Why not? "An old woman is always uneasy when dry bones are mentioned in a proverb" - Chinua Achebe Things Fall Apart

The elites after the French Revolution were not only mostly the same as before, they escaped with so much money and wealth that it’s actually debated if they increased their wealth share through the chaos [1]. Vigilante justice usually starts by aiming for the top (or a minority group, if conducted from the top). But it's inherently anarchic, and eventually attacks anyone vulnerable in striking distance. I have India…

> The elites after the French Revolution were not only mostly the same as before, they escaped with so much money and wealth that it’s actually debated if they increased their wealth share through the chaos

You sound like you're trying to convince me: I am not pro-violence, but I have cracked open a history book and the same thing happens over, and over again when the masses don't get what they deserve from an out-of-touch ruling class. I briefly braved life in a very unequal society - no one is safe there. Telling a person who hopelessly feel like they have nothing to shun crime and violence while they walk the same streets as the very rich is not as effective as you think it is.

> But it's inherently anarchic, and eventually attacks anyone vulnerable in striking distance.

Here's the brief, recent timeline on anti-elite radicalization:

-2008 the Great recession resulted in corporates get government bail-outs, while regular people got foreclosed, no one went to prison. Even getting a McJob is difficult.

- 2014/2015 K-shaped economic recovery in progress. Populist politicians decide to harness the still-angry "burn it all down" demography to turn out the vote. This is what was behind the Bernie bro to Trump-voter pipeline, "drain the swamp" and all that

- 2020-2022: Covid shutdowns. Businesses get bail outs again via loan forgiveness. High inflation. Cops chill outside during active shooting in Uvalde. Layoffs begin.

- 2024: Brian Thompson gets shot; elites get shocked by public support expressed for the shooter, but don't introspect on whether they are out of touch, instead, executive protection budgets go up - problem solved! Layoffs continue.

- 2025: DOGE cuts, SV CxOs and VC class goes completely mask-off, cuts to "entitlements" proposed, ACA subsidies killed. The who's who of elites show up in the Epstein files: not a single charge is filed. AI promises to kill jobs and companies embrace it, layoffs continue. Swamp is still not drained, crypto scams go mainstream.

- 2026: (we are here) 2 citizens killed by ICE while protesting. War with Iran. Layoffs continue, now naming AI as the cause. Inflation spiking.

With all this, would you be surprised that some folk may feel the scale is thumbed against them? Elites in every generation or 2 seem to need to relearn the same lesson: keeping their end of the social contract is really fucking important, in whatever form it takes in their age: giving alms, noblesse oblige, workers rights, the New Deal, etc.

Re: Molotov cocktail is hurled at home of Sam Altman

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Post by cineticdaffodil » Sun, Apr 12, 2026, 7:25 AM UTC

ETH_start wrote: post #662

culi wrote: post #414

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I think more and more Americans have what C. Wright Mills called the "sociological imagination". We pour tons of effort into punishing visceral, direct violence like a stabbing or shooting. But if white collar crime is being committed that leads to the death of hundreds of thousands of people, it's rare that anyone sees jail time. Maybe you could argue the decisions of Brian Thompson made only account for maybe 10% o…

1. Claims of structural harm are far more speculative, and thus harder to establish, than direct violence like a stabbing or shooting. 2. The reference to white collar crime is an extremely provocative assertion, because it smuggles in a tenuous allegation that Thompson committed white collar crime. 3. Structural harm, where it exists, is most often done without intent. Intent is a key element in criminal culpability…

Democracy that produces outcomes advesarisl to the voters intentions, for example massmigration even though voters voted against that - has ceased to be a democracy. Making the government and its cronies as illegitimate as any bannana republic dictatorship.

Re: Molotov cocktail is hurled at home of Sam Altman

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Post by cineticdaffodil » Sun, Apr 12, 2026, 7:30 AM UTC

kelseyfrog wrote: post #524

chaosharmonic wrote: post #447

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That's because Brian Thompson was functionally a serial killer.

Napkin math puts him at ~5,800-11,500 deaths. More of a mass murderer in my eyes, but I'm willing to be wrong on that point.

It would be hilarious if he had life insurance refusing the payout due to "selfinflicted liferisks"

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Post by apothegm » Sun, Apr 12, 2026, 10:51 AM UTC

daveguy wrote: post #622

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That’s quite the assumption.

You clearly haven't been paying attention.

Oh, no, I was agreeing with you. What you posited wrt elections is what I’ve been anticipating (with dread) for the past 18-ish months.

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Post by ndsipa_pomu » Sun, Apr 12, 2026, 10:59 AM UTC

loeg wrote: post #651

ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #611

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Do you have any evidence that Luigi carried out any violence whatsoever? He's been accused of a murder, but there seems to be no appreciation that people are innocent until proven guilty.

Happy to clear this up for you. Only courts of law are held to the “innocent until proven guilty” standard. Ordinary people are free to form and share their own opinions based on reported facts. Mangione is a murderer. Hope that helps!

I don't think you should be opening yourself up to accusations of libel like that. It's foolish if you don't have any proof to incur the possible threat of being sued without any upside, apart from appearing "edgy".

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Post by throwanem » Sun, Apr 12, 2026, 10:59 AM UTC

lazyasciiart wrote: post #644

throwanem wrote: post #633

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Begin your reading on page 346, at the heading "Pathologic egocentricity and incapacity for love." After that, review Section Two for its many examples of psychopathic (mis)behavior in the marital context.

Bro. You cannot “always tell”. Get over yourself and whatever you are citing to support that ridiculous claim.

That was never my claim, but I can see how much it means to you.